Interoception: Awareness, Self Evaluation, & Understanding How We Operate Emotionally for an Even Better Life with Kim Korte

“Remember that your feelings aren’t facts. That should give you some solace when they feel so strong. Say to yourself, “Oh wait, maybe this isn’t right. It’s a prediction of my brain based on the past, not the written future.” “ ~ Kim Korte

Episode Overview:

In this powerful episode of The Remarkable People Podcast, host David Pasqualone sits down with Kim Korte to delve into her incredible life story. From her traumatic childhood experiences with molestation and growing up with alcoholic parents to overcoming a devastating marriage and finding real self-love, Kim’s journey is both heart-wrenching and inspiring. Despite battling through significant emotional turmoil, Kim discovered the transformational power of self-awareness and emotional understanding. She shares her insights on building a balanced life, the importance of interoception, and offers practical steps for listeners to connect more deeply with themselves. Don’t miss this compelling episode as Kim reveals the strategies that helped her reclaim her life and how these concepts can empower you too.

• 00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
• 01:57 Meet Kim Korte
• 04:22 Kim’s Early Life and Challenges
• 05:49 The Impact of Childhood Trauma
• 07:14 Journey to Self-Awareness
• 08:12 Understanding Emotions and Interoception
• 17:46 Steps to Overcoming Trauma
• 21:27 The Importance of Interoceptive Awareness
• 37:51 Reflecting on Life and Relationships
• 38:47 Meeting the First Husband
• 42:01 Struggles and Realizations
• 45:17 The Turning Point
• 48:09 Steps to Healing and Self-Care
• 52:39 Emotional Awareness and Growth
• 01:08:02 Current State and Future Plans
• 01:14:04 Closing Thoughts and Advice

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Transcript

Interoception: Awareness, Self Evaluation, & Understanding How We Operate Emotionally for an Even Better Life with Kim Korte

David Pasqualone: Hello, friend. Welcome to this week's episode of The Remarkable People Podcast with our friend Kim Korte. Today Kim and I talk about inter. Interception. We also talk about me having hiccups for over two hours. So as you're listening, please forgive me for the hiccups, but there's nothing I know to do right now.

However, we do have a great episode that's packed with things that you can take and apply to your lives or shit. Share with those you love and have even better success. So we talk about how Kim was molested as a child, how her parents were alcoholics, how she ended up seeing that modeling behavior and getting into that type of marriage.

And, you know, things didn't end well. However, she also talks about what she learned from a great book that she was able to discover, and then how she not only applied that to her life, but. [00:01:00] But how she works with clients all around the world and helps them to apply it to their life so they can have that kind of everyday freedom, , and peace and joy through the self-awareness and understanding how, the importance of emotions to let us know what's going on inside of us, but we still need to follow facts.

So we have all this and so much more right now.

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David Pasqualone: Hey Kim, how are you [00:02:00] today? I'm fantastic, David. How are you doing? I am Remarkable. Our listeners and I are super excited to have you on this episode. We're thankful you're here, and I just told them in the pre intro a little bit about you, but straight from the source, straight from ki, from Kim. If you were to explain what this episode's gonna be about, what our listeners can not only count on hearing, but what they'll be able to take, take away and apply to their own lives, what would that be?

Kim Korte: A different way of understanding how we operate emotionally and how to little tiny exercises on how to connect to yourself better and why that is so important.

David Pasqualone: Excellent. And all of us, myself, I know for sure, but every human at different points has to be able to step back and say. What's going on?

What's really going on, [00:03:00] right? So this episode will be able to give you practical steps, or Kim will be able to give you practical steps of how to connect with yourself better and so much more. We're gonna take a short affiliate break, and we'll be back with our friend Kim.

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David Pasqualone: . , Kim, we talked about what we're gonna talk, discuss on the podcast, what we're gonna share with our listeners.

But before we get into that, what happened in your life? Let's go through your life chronologically. The good, the bad, the ugly, the pretty, the pretty ugly. What worked together to make you the woman you are today?

Kim Korte: You know, so many things. It's kind of hard because I'm 62, so I'm not gonna take up too many, too much time for that many years.

But I was raised in a family three kids. We were a part of a, of. A very active part in a religion that gave me tools and a skillset for speaking and being able to interact and talk with strangers, which is, [00:05:00] was especially beneficial now with what I'm doing. I always had an inclination, a curiosity to figure things out, to make things work to.

Just like, know things better. I, I never settled for what I was just told. I would look a little deeper. I never realized like the, I guess some of the background of why I would look just in certain directions and not others, but we can get to that later. And, and I had an affinity for accounting.

I went into accounting. Unfortunately my mother had a drinking problem and by the age of 30 she had passed my age 30. She had passed. So that was really hard on me. And then I also had some inappropriate behavior by young boys when I was growing up, up from like five to [00:06:00] eight that really, really impacted my emotions and.

Between the two kind of led me into this path of pushing emotions down, ignoring them, not, not acknowledging them. Now, these were all big events, right? But I noticed that it was even in smaller events that I, I didn't acknowledge this and of. This knowledge all came like after, after the fact, after I understood how emotions are made.

But e, either way, I, I had all of these events that impacted me. And the one event that was like the tipping point was a horrible divorce. I mean, my ex-husband. I had put him through chiropractic college. We built two businesses together and, you know, typical story leaves you for the front desk person who worked for us.

And I was literally lying [00:07:00] on the floor of my condo. When I say literally this is not some kind of California, oh my god, kind of a literal, this was literally laying on the floor of my condo going, how did I get here? And how can I keep this from happening to me again? Now, this was a long time ago, but it started the journey and it culminated and went, excuse me.

It culminated when I read this book how emotions are made, the secret life of the brain. I had done all this work with this secret and changing your mind and all this kind of like mindset work, and nothing was working. I tried changing my thoughts and they weren't changing, but this book helped me to understand that.

We construct our emotions. And I thought that was crazy. I always thought emotions just happened, right? People made you feel a certain way. I didn't. They did it to me. They made me feel, my husband made me feel [00:08:00] a certain way. All these things, like everybody was responsible for my feelings except for me.

And we know a lot more today, but especially at that time, I didn't know and. I also learned about interoception, and it's a big word that kind of gets mistaken for interception, but it, if you think about football and you get an in interception, it's how you catch your feelings and that in com, combination with a few other things I learned from this book.

Between the construction and understanding this need for interoceptive awareness, which is how you feel inside of your bodies, like how well you can connect to the feelings that the body gives us. That that was it. So that's kind of a fast story and I can fill in any details you have if you have some questions about the path along the way.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, no. Ladies and gentlemen, Kim has been so patient. I [00:09:00] was late starting the podcast today, and I have hiccups, so forgive me for all our listeners around the world. Doesn't matter what country you're from, you know how hiccups are. So bear with me and thank you, Kim. When it comes to your story, no, we want to talk about the things that happened to you because if we don't deal, deal with something in childhood or adolescence, it's gonna carry through to our adulthood.

The seeds will be planted and they'll grow. Yes. But how you learn to. Deal with them and adapt and overcome or be victorious. We want to, if you can share with us the steps you took of how you did it so myself and the listeners can too.

So, you know, having an alcoholic mother you didn't really talk about your dad, like what the relationship was, right?

Like what your relationship was like with him, but like that might tie into the guy you were attracted to and married, and then how it ended in divorce. You know, things follow us if we don't resolve them. So you go as. Deep or as shallow as you want, and we'll [00:10:00] just continue to move forward. So like you, you talked about as a child, like you said, inappropriate, I'm, I'm guessing like it was a form of molestation.

Kim Korte: Yes, yes.

David Pasqualone: And then you also had an alcoholic mother. Did you talk to your parents and they didn't protect you? Did they protect you? Did you ever confront them about the molestation?

Kim Korte: So this is the thing. It's kind of a weird story, but I always had a memory of the first event and I thought it was a dream and it wasn't until my mom, it was my grandfather's.

Funeral we had had, like the night before, we'd had like a, a viewing and then the service was the next day. And so after the viewing, my dad and my mom and my sister and I, and my sister was living in New York at the time we were having dinner, and I can't even remember how it came out. But then my mom talked about the event that I thought was a dream.[00:11:00] 

And what had happened was this family that was in our religion and their son was 10 years older than me, and he had come up taken us kids. So here I'm five, he's 15, my brother's nine and my sister's four. And we had this attic and we were all up in the attic. And in that. Is where he molested me and my sister re remembered it as a dream too.

And so we both at the same time when my mom relayed this story rather oddly, like, I don't even know how it randomly came up, like I said, and we were both like. We thought that was a dream, and she remembered getting running out of there and almost falling to go down the, the kind of the stairs that you had to take.

It was more like a ladder from the attic, you know how they go. Yeah. Yeah. And, and I just [00:12:00] remembered being out of my body and observing it, like i, I coped by not feeling it. Right. And my brother, I guess, coped by pretending he was hammering something and he had a hard time remembering it. And then I guess according to my mom that night, she said that I came to my parents and told, told them, and then.

Unbeknownst to me, the dad of the, my dad called the father of the boy, and he brought the boy over and made him apologize. But I, I never, I don't think ever knew about that. And then my mom said that they tried to keep me away from him. After, after that event, but a few years later, my girlfriend and I were at a purse party and that's when her mom dropped us off to have us watched by the mom [00:13:00] of this son.

So keep in mind, these are all people who've known each other for years. Everybody's friends taking care of each other's kids. It's a congregation. I'm sure you, you get the deal and then the the mom went grocery shopping and left us with the two boys. These two boys who were drinking. I can still remember the frosty can of beer.

And we had been sitting in on this kind of like a high table, at least it seemed high 'cause I was young. And you know, things happened to both my, my friend and I there. And then I think after that I had like a big mark on me and. I was molested by my next door neighbor and his friend, and it all ended around eight or nine because I got my period very early and I remember being like.

Oh my gosh, I could get pregnant. And that's when everything ended. And I do remember his cousin coming, a young girl coming [00:14:00] to live with him, his cousin, and I don't remember interacting much with him after that. The boy, the neighbor. Yeah. And we moved, I don't know how old I was, but when I was like 10, maybe 10 or 11, we moved out of that house.

So that was, that was a lot. And so what got set up then at that point in time was not paying attention to reality, you know, to pushing down feelings, but also. My parents mirrored how they didn't handle stuff like they weren't able to see reality. And there's some things that my mom said that made me think maybe she had been molested when she was younger.

My dad was raised by an alcoholic father who beat his mother, and so he was an only kid and had to live through a lot. So he had a, a habit of, of. You know, not facing difficult things. [00:15:00] And he's 92 today, and he still has that same tendency. So that kind of sets you up for being emotionally disconnected and not paying attention.

And so what happened was is all of these feelings are trying to come out, and I thought they manifested as. Physical symptoms that were, something's physically wrong with me. I had reproductive issues, stomach issues. I mean it was, it was just so many things. And yeah, so you can see where I was really.

Prime to meet a guy who had a drinking problem and wasn't connected to his emotions and didn't really face reality, didn't know how to communicate how he felt. My father still can't do that very well. My brother doesn't do it very well. It's like it's familial in a lot of families. Like we are no [00:16:00] different than.

A lot of families. And so I wanted to break this for myself and for anybody else. Like, I just didn't wanna live this way. And that's when it, it went back. It leads up to me finding this book because like I said, I watched The Secret, I went to weekend seminars, I did all of these things that were, that were, you know, helpful, but.

I couldn't get past and push through and really get to happy. I, I couldn't really feel. And yeah, this book made all the difference in the world when I really learned and studied and applied it. So I'll give you some space for questions. 

David Pasqualone: There's so much to cover and thank you for sharing that.

'Cause I'm sure we have listeners right now, male and female, connecting. And for anybody listening to Kim's story, you know, I. [00:17:00] Whether this happened when you were a child, whether you know you're young and it's happening now, whatever the circumstance is, this is something that you need to deal with or it's gonna continue to show evil for through your life.

So Kim, we'll get into when you're ready. You know, things you did, steps you took to overcome, and hopefully it'll help our listeners too. So thank you for sharing that, because some people probably question themselves.

They can't rectify or, or reconcile, well, why didn't my mom, why didn't my dad, or why didn't my grandparents do help me? Or why did they do it to me? So would you rather talk about if you were molested, Hey, here's some things I did to help me heal, now, or would that come later in your story?

Kim Korte: No, let's talk about that now. It's, it's not easy for a lot of people. It's very easy for me now. And I, I want to just say I used to be what happened to me, [00:18:00] I was constantly. Of the victim, I was someone who was abused sexually. Now it's just something that happened.

It's not who I am. I don't identify what they did as me and. When you carry that, that that's who you are. It's hugely different. And all of these words that we use to describe ourselves, like, I feel, you know, or I am, I am ugly, or I'm tired, or I'm upset. That means that's who you are as a person. But when you say, I feel something, it, it allows you to move through it.

And so language is so important. But the other thing is, is that. It's, it's so sad that this is a, a generational issue.

People hurt, hurt people, hurt people, molested [00:19:00] people. And you would think like, why would they do that? And it's because they, they've never dealt with it. Is, is what I think. And, and, and I'm not a psychologist, so I'm just saying from my perspective, from what I've been through in life, I think that if you face it, then you have a better.

A better probability of moving through it. And then once you move through it, don't own it. Just let it go and don't let it be who you are. We're gonna talk about. In, in our conversation the power of our focus, and that if we focus on the fact that we were molested or we focus on these things and just don't let it be something that happened to in our past that sometimes shows up and, and it's present and then you let it go again.

But if you are focused on it all the [00:20:00] time, even after you've been working on it, that's why I stopped going to therapy. I, I saw a therapist and I said, no, I'm done. And she was like, wait, it's because you don't wanna confront, confront your abuser. But I felt like she was trying to make me dependent on her.

And I said, no, we're done. I'm gonna confront. Th this person, but I'm gonna do it without you. And I did, and not everybody's that strong. And, and I get that. But my point is, is that you know, when you feel at a point like you've worked through it, the more you stay keep it in your life, the more that it becomes a focus of who you are.

So I just wanted to to say that that's very freeing when you can let it go. Yeah. And like this is such a delicate topic. Like I had it easy, like I'm not to compared to what you had or what other listeners had, mine was nothing compared to that. But you don't, you don't compare dear. Well, no, but I'm just [00:21:00] saying there's people who are just, they've gone through nightmares, like, and it's just like horrible.

But the steps to heal, that's what we're all here for today. You know, like you were just saying. The step one, you know, this is what worked for me. Hopefully it works for you too. So if you were to break it down to steps, what do you think the first step as the listener should take to start overcoming this?

First, I think is to understand that your responsible for your feelings, and that may sound. Crazy. But we live in a world that is built on probabilities and we experience our life through our perceptions. So I. I'm gonna take you through quickly, not quickly, but through these pillars that I created. I created this, this program called Sensory Syn.

I shared it with you and it's [00:22:00] got these pillars of helping you to be more connected and more emotionally aware because awareness is huge, but it's not just having awareness. It's having intentional awareness and the five things are perception, interoception, emotional granularity. Focus and energy, and if you can, can think about in any given moment, one of those five pillars or multiple pillars and how it's impacting your emotional response, how you feel about yourself or others in any given situation, then it will help you to be more introspective and take.

And have, I should say, intentional awareness. 'cause in intentional awareness, leads to action. Awareness just means, okay, I'm hungry, but intentional awareness means I'm hungry and this is what I need to [00:23:00] eat. And being intentional about what you put in your body. So let's, let's go with perception. And so perception is.

What we take in from the outside and inside world, but we're gonna just talk about the external world right now. So we, what we hear, what we smell, what we touch, what we, you know, comes through our mouth. It, all of these senses. Are there so that the brain can take in information. We don't see with our eyes, we don't hear with our ears.

We get signals that come in and our brain tells us what we're, what we're experiencing. It will make its best guess. And so that's why babies kind of see blobs and it starts to. Take shape and format over time because they're learning that their brain is understanding, they, they start listening. That's the first sense that comes on board in the [00:24:00] later months of pregnancy, I think around seven or eight months.

And, and so they start really getting attuned to their mother's voice so that then when they come out, they, they recognize tho that sound of their mother. So these are things that you learn. And life is learning. We learn what all these objects are that like a ball, and why a ball is different than a balloon.

It's learning, and that what we learn turns into beliefs. It turns into thoughts, it turns into all of these things. And so how we respond to these things is. You know, guided by our feelings. So our feelings become the, oh, we want more of this. Or the, oh, we want less of this, or, eh, we don't really care. So that is perception.

They are what I call the ingredients for [00:25:00] how we think, feel, and behave, and believe. Any questions before I go to the next one?

David Pasqualone: No, that's great. And what, what's awesome about a podcast is we can rewind and listen again and, and get it till it clicks, till we understand it. And then ladies and gentlemen, like always, you can reach out to Kim.

Yes, you can check out the show notes on our website and your podcast player on rumble. And you can connect with Kim right there. But no, go ahead Kim. Go to the next one.

Kim Korte: So. Think of your perceptions, what's going on in the outside world as ingredients that you use to build. And then when it comes into the brain, and now actually I won't go into that too far, but they even think it's beyond the brain.

But we we construct, so we have these memories and if you think of a memory, like give me a memory of your last Christmas. A memory of, go ahead, David. Christmas. Christmas, yeah. Like just [00:26:00] gimme some memory that, what was going on. I remember one Christmas we were just sitting around, it was actually a couple ago, but we were just sitting around the table eating breakfast and that was a lot of fun.

Okay. So how did you feel about it? I felt happy, fat, happy. Okay. So in that memory you had, who was there? And, and you may not have expressed it right now, but you know who was there, you know, where you were at, you know what, probably what music was going on at the time. You had the people the food, the occasion, and all of that to made for your memory, which you labeled as happy.

So your brain now knows. This is a situation that can create happy, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. And anything similar to it, it will create an emotional response of Happy does. So I call those emotional recipes. It's like how we use the ingredients of the outside [00:27:00] world to create our emotional recipes, our our emotion recipes, and then we stick a label on it.

And that label then is how our body will respond to those occasions. So it's not just memory of that occasion, but your body has the sensations that told you you were happy. Now, let's just say you remembered some other things that were going on at the time, and you expanded. You know what was going on, it could change that recipe.

But for right now, this is like a blueprint amongst gazillions of blueprints from all your memories that your brain will use to produce that feeling. And so that's the second pillar, which is called interoception, and it's how we feel inside of our bodies. Now you may think like, okay, we all do, but what we don't realize is that [00:28:00] we can push it down like I did, and I'm sure that you did certain feelings that are unpleasant.

And, you know, we may get into such a habit of pushing down emotions that we start pushing down good ones and we can't recognize good ones as well as unpleasant ones because it's, it's a system. And so when you start pushing down. The, the happy and the sad, and the good and the bad. It's, it, it might not catch the, the ones that you want to feel.

So he, I remember what oh, I can't remember the name of the actor, but he said he doesn't know how to feel love. He had beaten his girlfriend. He had, I can't, what was his name? Because he, he was pretty well known at the time, but it was in the news 'cause of these texts going back between he and his girlfriend.

And I believe he went to jail because he couldn't, he couldn't feel love. But he could feel. [00:29:00] Immense anger that because it would all, all of his feelings would bottle up and come out in like this big explosion because it had nothing else to do. And so if he had that ability to connect to love. And to connect to those feelings, he might not have been had that outburst.

So that's what my point is, is like if we, as, as a gender, we're told to push them down, like boys don't feel, or if occasions of, molestation or living with alcoholism or drug addiction or other horrible things. We learned to push our feelings down. Or maybe we had a perfectly fine childhood without any of that, but our parents didn't display emotion and so you don't know how to feel like you don't it.

It seems strange to you 'cause it wasn't modeled. No matter what the situation, we can learn how to connect. And so what I do with people is use the [00:30:00] idea of food, right? 'cause food is something that everyone does, they eat, but sometimes we eat and we don't taste. And so taste is different or we don't notice the flavors I should say.

So when we taste food, we don't always capture the flavor. It just comes in, blah. But if we sit and try and capture like what is in this dish like a chef would. Then we're capturing more of the ingredients, what's in in that food, and that's what happens when we feel there's all of these ingredients that come in.

And if we are able to feel the feeling, taste it, so to speak your emotions and notice what is going on around you and how it's making you feel, then you're able to increase your interoceptive awareness. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. It makes sense because a lot of [00:31:00] times people are at different ages and they don't know how to deal with it, so they just suppress it.

So working 'em through this process makes logical sense. Yeah. And so I tell people like, if you're not comfortable feeling your feels, that's good. Just start learning to notice your food, like get used to tasting your food and noticing what's inside of it. And then. Notice how you feel when you eat it and label it.

And don't just say good or bad, and we'll get into that in a minute, but learn to label your food. So, so this is, interceptive awareness. It's being more connected to the feelings, because if you were to walk through life with your hands over your ears and, and the world is muffled, how poor would communication be, right?

Mm-hmm. It would be really, really poor. [00:32:00] But if you're, if you take your hands off of your ears, now all of a sudden you're able to better communicate. The world and when you hear something, you get it more correct so that you can respond appropriately. Whereas that's how a lot of us are when we have interceptive deficiencies, when we are not as in tune with what our feelings are because we might respond.

Inappropriately to the sit the situation to get a good resolution. For me. I kept going to doctors because my stomach was bothering me, but the reason that my stomach was bothering me was because I hadn't faced the emotions of the situation in which I had been in. So this means you improve your internal communication so that you're able to distinguish between feeling.

Upset [00:33:00] versus you need food. And this is because our signals come in, I call 'em two flavors. You feel happy. That's interception. You feel hungry, that's interception. Tired is interception, thirsty is interception. Love is interoception. So these are all interceptive feelings and we can get them confused.

So this is why getting that conversation straight between. You and yourself. I, I call myself Mimi. So I have conversations with Mimi and say, okay, Mimi, you know, what are we, what are we talking about here? And, and then that makes it fun for me, but it also makes it so that it's not as personal. It's Mimi's my head chef and so I need to talk to her sometimes because I might be getting my feelings crossed.

And so if, if I'm. Not really hungry, but just anxious. I need to know that so that I can deal with the an what's making me [00:34:00] anxious versus eating to, to solve a problem that it won't solve.

David Pasqualone: Yeah. And that's for all of us, for all of us listening to Kim, the way we deal with unt, trauma, pain, you know, whatever word you want to use or whatever you.

Experience. It could come out in illness, physical illness. Mm-hmm. It could come out in mental illness, it could come out in addictions. It can come out in a nervous twitch. It can come out in an eating disorder. You know, and it's kind of like sin. You can choose your sin, but you can't choose the consequence.

Well, when you have trauma and abuse, you don't deal with, it's gonna come out. But the difference is it's not your fault. Sin is our conscious choice. If you're molested, if you're raped, if you're beaten, if you're, you know, whatever it is, that is not your fault. No matter how much the, the. What's the word perpetrator?

Perpetrator will use. Perpetrator says, it is. It's not your fault. Some, [00:35:00] somebody rapes you. They're wrong a hundred percent. No questions. That's it. But when it comes to what Kim's saying, you don't know how it's gonna manifest, but you always have to remember, those are the symptoms we gotta cut to the core, like what Kim's saying to go inside of ourselves and just let that go.

Yeah. So Kim, let's do this. Well, first off on that topic, is there anything else you wanna discuss before we move forward with your life and other topics? Yeah, I just wanna bring up a couple of points and that one is that this interceptive training is really. Really on the cusp of going bigger. I think they're using it for people who are neurodivergent.

My niece is autistic and I've been very interested in anything related to autism. There is a,, occupational therapist, Kelly Mailer. And she has this interoceptive curriculum that she teaches other occupational therapists [00:36:00] so they can work with kids who are neurodivergent to be more.

Intercept aware of their feelings so that they can distinguish between the, the ones that are physical needs and the ones that are more emotional needs. So there's another group. People who, and I can't remember the name of their therapy, but they work with people who are dealing with drug addiction and alcoholism, and they too use interceptive training because what does, what do you lose with those habits or those addictions, I shouldn't say habit.

You lose your connection to yourself. And if it is a habit, be careful because you do lose connection to yourself. You're, you're putting your hands over your ears. And if you get that visual in your head, that's a good thing. And last thing I just wanna say is that it's easy to feel. Like kind, kind of like connect to what interceptive awareness is.

So if [00:37:00] you're listening, you can do this exercise later or just put a pause, but just stop. And without touching your pulse, using your hands, just notice your heart beating and see if you can connect to the beat of your heart. Try counting the beats for 15 seconds. Then you touch your pulse and count for 15 seconds and see what the difference is.

Now, this is not a gold standard test, but this is an interceptive awareness test, and if you don't do well, that's okay. It's a skill you can train. So never think badly or I'm not this, or I'm not that. I can't do this. It's just a skill and it's just a matter of reviving what you were born with. Excellent.

Excuse me. Mm-hmm. All right. When you look at your life in retrospect. [00:38:00] Now you're, you know, you're getting older, not old now I'm talking about as you're growing from a child. Oh, okay. Not because I'm old now. No, no, no, no. I, I'm gonna get punched in the face and I didn't even mean That's okay. I am, no, I didn't.

I meant when you're through your story and your timeline as you're getting mm-hmm. Older, you meet a man, you're attracted to him, good, bad, or ugly, we're attracted to what we know. Right. So I was attracted to things in my ex-wife. And they were not good things. Yeah. So we learned the hindsight, the hardware, right, sometimes.

But when you met your husband and then you said there was real issues there, is that something that you saw directly in your mom and dad?

Kim Korte: I actually met my first husband 'cause I'm married a second time. I met my first husband in Vegas of all things.

And it was at a, an emotional low, [00:39:00] which is not a good time to meet your future spouse and then married seven months later. But I had been through so much my mom's death. I had confronted this person who was still in the organization and then a year later, the same people.

It's kind of a long story, but the same people who were involved in the confrontation I had done within my organization. Used him in a way that made me think that they took his side meaning as, as far as responsibility, it's a kind of a long story, but let's just say there was actions that made me think that God wasn't believing me and that I was, I was not the one who was believed, and it's really hard, as you guys know, who are in my situation, that being believed is really important. You, you really want that and. Because you're just so [00:40:00] insecure about everything. And so this had all just happened. I had pretty much had a nervous breakdown for, you know, all intents and purposes.

I was a huge mess. And I met my ex-husband and he made me feel loved and he made me feel like I was gonna be protected and that he would take care of me. And it was really not. You know, the love that I really, truly needed, but at that time, I, it, it filled the bill and in so many ways, I'm really grateful for that experience and that marriage and that breakup because it led me to where I am now.

But I definitely made choices out of an emotional deficit and out of pain and out of. Desperation really for love and security and to feel just to feel [00:41:00] like what I thought was true love. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah. And let's go back there. 'cause you said something earlier in the interview and then you just, that now how you, you know, you're telling the truth essentially, and you have the need for people to believe you.

Throughout your life and your childhood, did you feel like I'm telling the truth and people don't believe me? Was that like a common thread in your life where you're like, I value truth, I make it at a point to speak truth, and yet people still don't believe me? Why wa was that something? That I heard in there, or am I making this up?

Kim Korte: I don't know. I, that doesn't click for me right now. Okay. I don't relate to that. But I think deep down inside, especially for something of this magnitude of this so much a part of who you are at that time it was who I was and so it's very dejecting. [00:42:00] 

David Pasqualone: Then once you guys met, you got married, how long did it take before the pattern started emerging and you're like, oh, where am I?

What have I done? 

Kim Korte: Well, I was raised, you know, you, you get married, you stay married, you make it work. And I put him through chiropractic college for the first. Four, four or five years. We were married five years, I think was when we started his business. It took, you know, I helped him build it. I was, had my own consulting business for a long, for like a few months, but maybe a year or so.

But I did that and helped him build a practice. Then we opened up a running shoe store and I did everything related to that. So I gave up. My consulting business because we were in it and we had this whole plan to put everything into growing these businesses, selling and retiring early. That was our big plan.[00:43:00] 

But really when I met him, he was. A drinker and a partier, and he wanted to be different, but deep down inside, he was really that drinker partier, and it was only me that kept him from going that direction. And the woman that we hired that he ended up having the affair with that lasted, oh, like nine months.

And her, her tendency was for partying, smoking, drinking, getting like raging drunk. And I, I I, I guess he just was who he really was, and he wasn't who he really, truly was in life. So, you know, that was me not taking him for what he was when he, when I married him when we met. And, he was very selfish.

I, I mean, he went on for like nine months and even after I found out about it, he was wishy-washy and back and forth and apparently [00:44:00] telling us both things that he thought we wanted to hear. 'cause he said he loved us both. And I can still remember when he said that, I was like, that doesn't work for me.

And like, I deserve all of your love. So, you know, head on out the door. Yeah. And, and yeah, so. I was willfully blind, and I talk about this in my book and, and in sensory syn, but part of the result of an interceptive deficit is that you, you don't, because you don't wanna feel the fields, you are willfully blind to situations.

And I see that My dad was that with my molestation when I was a kid. See that with my mom's drinking, my dad. And he learned that, like I said, when he was a little kid from his own situation, my mom was also blind to things because I think she too, there's a reason she [00:45:00] drank. There is a reason she drank and you know, it was to suppress and to not feel.

And so the, the. Keeping blind wasn't enough. She, she needed more help. So I, I was willfully blind to my husband's cheating. Deep down, I knew it was happening. And then one night, this is an interesting story to tell you, to listen to your, to your gut feeling. And I'll never forget this. I was making dinner and I had this feeling, this very strong feeling that.

He wasn't. He taught at a school and I had this feeling that he wasn't teaching and that he was with her. And even though he said nothing was going on, I just, I had kind of confronted him about it a little bit. And so I went to the school, he wasn't there. And then I went to her house and that's where his [00:46:00] car was.

And he heard my car, 'cause it's a Miata and he called me. Well, I was driving back to our home and he's like, where are you? And I said, oh, I'm at home cooking you dinner. I go, I think you're gonna love it. And he's like, okay, I'll be home in a little bit. I'm like, okay, honey, I'll see you soon. And I totally played like nothing was wrong.

And he came home to a bag full of clothes and get the F out and, and that's, that was the end. That was me. Forced to see what I knew. And if I had not listened to my gut, if I had not like said okay. And I remember being really nervous and on the phone with my sister as I was going up to her house and it that was.

That was me taking the blinders off. And you know, it's funny 'cause when they come off, they come off very slowly and you don't realize, like, it's not one set of glasses or two sets of glasses. You've got like glasses so far coming off your [00:47:00] face, you know, it's amazing. You can walk. Mm-hmm. Of course they're figurative glasses, but.

Yeah, it, it, it was a really a, a long time of taking off the glasses and it, they didn't fully come off until a really close friend of mine went through a similar situation and I was able to observe what happened to me through her, and it, it made me realize in more. Intensity. Really how cruel. What he did to me was, and both of them what they did, 'cause she was my friend, I made dinner for her every Monday night after we closed late I, every Monday night I made dinner for the three of us and we would laugh and have a great time.

So they were both cruel and yeah. So it's a process. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah, biblically, it talks about veils and how seeing darkness. Darkness has blinded the rise. And you know, if you have [00:48:00] one veil on, you can see two or three, it gets darker, but you can see what, 5, 6, 7, you're, you're almost in the black, like you said.

So that's interesting. Now I've been through stuff like what you're experiencing. You've been through it. What were some of the steps you took, Kim, to just move past it? Because it takes, usually it takes time and it's a painful, like, hard process. What are some of the things you specifically did? So the audience like myself, that's like, yeah, I know exactly what she's talking about, but maybe we're not over it yet, or we don't have full freedom.

What are the things you did to to get that release? 

Kim Korte: First of all, I wanna say full freedom I think is kind of, a misnomer. I don't know that we ever have full freedom from it, because there's gonna be memories and events and things that like remind you. And while it's not your focus, it's, it's always good.

[00:49:00] Like you get that reminder, it brings up the feeling and you let it go. And I say that because my friend's mom, and this is. Part of my story was I, I remember very clearly my, my good friend Lars at the time, he told me that when his mom, his dad cheated on his mom, it actually kept her from. Ever living a life like she lived with the bitterness of her, the father's cheating with her for the rest of her life.

And she died early, even. She died young. And I'm sure that bitterness just ate away at her body, her mind, her spirit. And so she, was not who I wanted to be. And I felt like I had had seven years of my life, or nine, 10 with him, 10 years with him. And then, you know how many years I spent building a business, two businesses that I lost and I [00:50:00] didn't wanna lose anything else.

And I knew that I needed to take care of me and that I had done like my mother had done and catered to. Someone else's needs. My mom set, sacrificed, you know, herself all the time to make sure my dad was happy. I had done the same with my ex-husband and I, my sister had done the same with her first husband.

And so this, this whole modeling of not taking care of yourself was there and I knew I. First up, I had to take care of myself. And that means, and I hate to say this, if you don't, that you have to start to like yourself and feel that you deserve it and. Absolutely everybody does. There's not one person on this earth that does not deserve the best for them, and you need to define what's the best for you because it's different for every single person.

No, I always [00:51:00] say that our recipes that we need to either feel. A certain way that's good. Or to feel a certain way that's unpleasant, you know, pleasant or unpleasant. Ours are unique to us, and so our job is to figure out what. Our recipes and to change them as we need to, to give us the life that we want.

And it's a constant kind of like unfolding. I mean, do you ever know a chef that cooks the same food all the time and never changes up a recipe? It's, it's discovering as your emotional palate grows. What else excites it or what else doesn't taste so good? And so I. I learned that I needed to love me and to take care of me.

And as cliche as it sounds, it is so important because if you've been with a narcissist or with somebody who makes you feel bad about yourself, then I felt awful about myself, like physically. I mean, it's not like I was [00:52:00] unattractive, but I felt so ugly and like nobody would ever want me and. That's just never true and I don't care how you look, that's just never true.

And I knew that I needed to, to figure that out and to learn how to love myself and to take care of myself, and I needed to understand you know, balance. I felt like my life was out of balance. And I needed to make sure that I didn't love myself so much that I didn't show love to others, and that I went into a relationship, my next relationship with a balance of love.

And I created this Venn diagram and the shape of a heart. So if you imagine if you're not listening, imagine, you know, the MasterCard. With a V at the bottom, you know where it has the overlapping circles. And so one side is you, the other side is your partner. In the middle is the two of you. And that V at the bottom is [00:53:00] a section for friends and family.

So it became, for me a diagram that. I wanted to change its shape because if it gets too wide and you have no time together or too much time with friends and family, or it gets distorted it's not healthy, it's a chubby heart. Or if it gets too skinny where you're always together and you have no me time or don't have time to learn who you are, then you are escaping by being in just that relationship.

And you might not have much friends with time, with friends and family. So, so it's called A Perfect Heart and I wrote a book about it, but that helped me to kind of get into that thinking about being more balanced because I knew that I had been unbalanced. 

David Pasqualone: And what were the specific things you did?

Like you said, this is what I knew I need to do, this is what I knew I needed to do. But what did you do? Like, did you make a lists of truths that you reviewed every day? Did you, like what were the things you did to help you recover from those abusive [00:54:00] relationships? 

Kim Korte: Well that, that diagram was for me for sure.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, because, okay. So for people look like we can, even if you wanna send you one, Kim. Yeah, I'll get it. I can put in the show notes so people can click on it and see it. Sure. So that was like a visual that reminded you. Balance? Yes. What are other things you did? 

Kim Korte: And then I tried to manage my thoughts and to, to be more aware of them.

And I attended, I think I brought this up earlier. I would attend like Brian Clemmer and Associates. I was always like trying to improve and, and understand myself better. I had gone to a therapist after the divorce. And it, it, it was helpful because it, it kind of puts up a mirror to yourself. But the thing that changed me the most, like all of this work and to try and understand, to have balance to do all, all of this, the thing that changed me and where's my book?

I'm gonna show you it because it's hard to read, [00:55:00] but this is the book, it's called, can you See It There? How emotions are Made, the Secret Life of the Brain. And this book was what taught me about interoception and taught me about the importance of emotional granularity and how we construct our emotions using our past.

So we're constantly living in the past. In the present, but it's a prediction. So while we think our thoughts are in the moment, we think our feelings are in the moment, they're not. The brain is predicting them. I, you know, I forget what the timing is. It's pretty small, but we, we predict. Our thoughts, our feelings, all of this stuff using our past.

And that's why these recipes that I talk about are so important to try and understand. And if you're afraid to taste them, you're never gonna change 'em. You can't change [00:56:00] what you don't recognize. So if you're sitting here, oh, I wanna change, well, you gotta be able to recognize how you truly feel and to to see these feelings and to see if they're even true because.

Feelings aren't facts. They're feelings. And our memories could be fraudulent. Our memories might be very focused on a narrow piece of information. This is why focus is a part of one of the big pillars in what I teach and share. Because if you were in a situation and your brain tells you. You know, let's say I had gone through life thinking men were horrible because I was molested by more than one and attempted rape.

I mean, when as a teenager, you know, if I could go down that list and say, okay, men are horrible. I'm going to see men through that lens unless I try and notice things that are positive. I always tell the story [00:57:00] about Ted Bundy here. He killed they think a hundred women, but what a lot of people don't realize is that he actually saved a bunch of lives.

He worked as a suicide hotline volunteer and was apparently quite good at it. So while I'm not saying like it makes what Ted Bundy did, okay. It, you know, when you focus on the negativity of something or someone, a group a, a gender, a belief system, when all you do, even, even a political party, if you always focus on the negative, you're never gonna see the good.

That helps to give you balance and maybe change your opinion, and so this is why. Focus is so important. Being able to pull the lens back or in, and that's when I was talking about my ex-husband. I couldn't focus, bring the lens back far enough to see how what he did really looked. And sometimes it takes someone else's [00:58:00] lens to help you see it.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, definitely. You know, they say hindsight's 2020, and when you, especially as a consultant, you know, and can go bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, everything your client needs to do. Yes. But then sometimes your own life, you get stuck and it's like, well, hold on. If I was consulting myself, what would I do? And bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

It's we, we get too. Personal. You need that step back. That's excellent. 

Kim Korte: But I, I'll tell you, this is what part of what I teach is about, is getting that ability to do that for yourself to, you know, we can't always do it a hundred percent of the time, but to be more. Active in looking at the feelings and saying, wow should, is this really appropriate?

Like, do I feel this way because of this? If I look at the situation in its fullness, if I, if I don't just focus narrowly and I bring back and I look at a bigger piece of the [00:59:00] pie, let's just say, or a wider lens, you would feel differently. Change the ingredients. You have to think of perceptions as ingredients, and if you want a very narrow flavorless, you know, same flavor of emotion every time, then stick with with.

That, but we are not, we are people. We don't want to eat the same food we ate as little kids, right? Like we grow, our palate grows and so should our emotional palate. We are people who have the ability to look at situations with more distinction and in more detail and to be able to analyze it and with that breadth of information.

Make different choices and see it differently. It doesn't always mean you agree with it, but at least you have a better understanding, and with that better understanding can sometimes just take you to a neutral place. [01:00:00] You know, negative emotions have negative impacts on us physically, and so just getting us to neutral times gives us the ability to think better because our cognitive.

Capabilities are impacted when we are in a negative state. And it's hard on us physically too. So I say if you can get to neutral, great. And if you can go to positive, that's good too. But just remember that emotions themselves are not positive or negative. The outcomes are so you can be in love like I was.

And say, oh, you know, I'm so in love. And it was not a positive love. I didn't, I didn't fully see, like I was focused on narrowly in that relationship. And had I been more, more wide-eyed, I might have seen more things that would've kept me. From it, but because of my emotional state, I couldn't, so that's, that was a great lesson from, from my first [01:01:00] marriage.

So I'm gonna say it again, emotions. Themselves are not positive or negative. The outcomes are fear can have a positive outcome. It can keep you alive. You know, and love can be very toxic if you are not paying attention to the recipes that you have. And when I say that, I mean what has to happen for you to feel.

And go into the emotion and pick the emotion and then write down like what has to happen. And when you start looking at it, you start discovering these recipes and you're like, wait, what? What? That doesn't make sense. I'm actually trying to work on an app to help people do that. I'm, I'm working on a prototype right now and, it, it, it's a way to help people go through that process by themselves because, you know, you discover a lot when you, when you are questioned and you are rapidly questioned and the subconscious [01:02:00] comes out and you're thinking, wait, no, that doesn't make sense, but it's in you and it's a driver in your life, so don't you wanna let it out so you can release it?

Because once you know it, that it's there, you can unsee it. The scene cannot be unseen. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah. So let's do this between your birth and today. 

Kim Korte: Mm-hmm. 

David Pasqualone: Is there anything we missed that you want to talk about before we transition to where are you today and where are you heading next? 

Kim Korte: No, I, I, I think that that covered a lot of ground.

Like I've shared more, you shared, I shared more in this podcast than I have in other podcasts. So I, I think I've shared a lot of the, the big things. I'm just trying to think. 62 years is a long time, David. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah, no, no, you're still, you're just getting started. 

Kim Korte: So I do feel like I'm just getting started.

I do wanna 

David Pasqualone: do, I wanna make sure though we do cover this 'cause man, [01:03:00] I still have the hiccups, ladies and gentlemen know you do. I apologize, I'm trying to mute the mic, but man, it's, I got a headache from it, so I'm gonna be like standing down with sugar and water my mouth after this.

Kim Korte: You'll never forget this interview.

Will you 

David Pasqualone: say what? 

Kim Korte: You'll never forget this interview. No, 

David Pasqualone: it's a great interview, but it'll be the one, no, the one I had hiccups for like two hours. When you have the MO model, learn behavior with your parents and then you take that into your first marriage, I'm like you, I've made a vow to God. And it wasn't even to the other person, but you also meet to the other person, to your kids, to the friends and family who watch you get Mar married.

So it's devastating to get a divorce to me 'cause it's not what God wants. Not sometimes what you want, but the other person's taking away your options. So that can take a long time to overcome and some people never do. Like you said, your friend's mom. But to [01:04:00] not carry that into the next marriage, like whether you're secular or, or you're, you know, you're religious.

Second, third marriages, fourth marriages, the statistics of divorce. Just go off the chart. So what were some of the things you did to make sure you weren't bringing that baggage and learn behavior into your new marriage? 

Kim Korte: Awareness. I'm, I, I can't, I, I don't even know how important that I can emphasize how much awareness is when I have a feeling come up, I examine it, I say.

What is this? Does this have to do with today or with yesterday? And like I have to be careful and sometimes I will explain to my husband today, I said, my ex-husband used to do this. I said, so I'm trying. Hard not to respond like I responded to him, [01:05:00] but just to understand that, that this is why I responded the way I did, because sometimes it's after the fact that I look back and go, well, what was that about?

Like what, what were you doing? And then I'm able to, to do it. I try to do it in the moment when the feeling comes up, do a quick check. 'cause it becomes a habit and it doesn't take a long time to just, to do it like a quick check like, Hmm, where am I feeling this? What is this about? And when you start doing that, it's, it, it helps, but it can't do perfection.

We're never emotionally perfect. We're just, you know, on our own journey to figure out who we are and, why we're here and what we want from life. So I, I think that it's. It's just developing awareness that made a huge difference to intentionally not want to be my mom to now when I say not be my mom, I [01:06:00] loved my mom.

Like there's no tomorrow. She's been gone for 32 years and I miss her very, very much still, but I, there's certain aspects of her that were not healthy that didn't serve me. And so I don't wanna do that today 'cause I don't wanna not serve myself, right? I need to take care of myself and I was very angry with my dad.

For his blindness, and I was able to let that go, which helped me because I realized how much he had been through. And part of that only came out recently because he has been sharing more Now's. Since his second wife passed he's been sharing a lot more with me and my sister about his past, and so we've become more enlightened.

So it, it, it tells me how important it is to have that communication with [01:07:00] those we love, with our spouses with even people that we work with so that they understand our recipes and what's going on. So you can. Improve your own conversations with yourself. So you, you know, let's go back to this. You're talking to yourself.

Me and Mimi are having the conversation so that I can have the conversation with my husband and say, Hey, I'm sorry I did this, but I thought I was mad, but I was really frustrated because this is going on now and this has been a pattern that we've had, and I don't want that in my life. Boom. I, I went from mad to frustrated, which, you know, on, on tastes different and it feels different and we respond differently from frustration versus anger.

So that's the practicality of it. Talking to yourself, Mimi, and me, and then being able to put it out there. But if we don't have this internal [01:08:00] conversation, it doesn't happen. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah. And so where's Kim today? And where are you heading next? 

Kim Korte: I am in such an amazing place. I definitely feel more connected than ever, and this is something that I hadn't talked about is that my ability to love has grown tremendously.

And when I say that, I'm saying it in a way that's not just like how I love my husband or my family, but. As a little kid, even I had a hard time connecting that other people felt the way that I did or loving people. And one of the things that I was taught in the religion of my youth I am not affiliated with any belief but am extremely spiritual.

But in the religion of my youth, I was expecting Armageddon to come and everybody to die. And [01:09:00] I just had such a hard time with it, but it also taught me like, oh, all these people are gonna die, so why should I get emotionally attached? And so it, it, it was a weird, a weird thing for me in combination with love being messed up, people who I loved hurting me and all this other kind of blah, blah, blah.

Even the, that kid who. Was the neighbor who molested me. He taught me how to ride a bike. I can still remember him being the one who taught me to ride. So it gets very confusing and I'm sure there are people who can relate to that. And so I have redefined and expanded my love tremendously, my ability to love.

And a lot of people would question say, oh, you're full of crap, because you always seem very loving. But I can tell you because I'm the one feeling it, it's changed. And so I'm very, very pleased about that. But I'm in a great place. I am very much more self-aware. I've even had someone who [01:10:00] was a coach for me tell me, I'm one of the most self-aware people he's ever met, and I was like, that is the nicest thing you could possibly tell me.

Thank you. Thank you, thank you. I, I adore you for saying this to me. In fact, I love you. And I've, I wrote my book about this, but it's basically to build a case. My book builds a case because I want people to understand it's backed by science, but I build this case for how emotions are made by talking about perceptions, recipes, introception, and all of this stuff, and how it raises our consciousness.

And the better, more consciously aware we are, the better it is for yourself and everyone around you. And that has just recently led to my new offering, which is sensory sink. The sensory sink method and sensory sink is designed to go through those pillars that I [01:11:00] spoke about and to help you to. Kind of make the connection and understand what you need to do for you, what's comfortable for you if you resonate with my message, but what you need to do for you to help you to be more connected to you because everyone's at a different place.

And so if you are shut down and feelings are super, super hard, I say start with food. In fact I call it the emotion chef because we've got ingredients, you know, we've got recipes, we've got the kitchen in our head, and, you know, our body receives the service of the recipe and the, the better we are at tasting those.

Those recipes, the better we are at changing them or identifying them. And so that's what I take people through is that process and cater as much as possible, even in a small group setting as much as possible to what their specific need is because. [01:12:00] Like I said, some of us were born more aware, some of us pushed them down.

Some of us are a mix. So it's connecting to where you are in that, seeing where that process is, and then doing what feels right to you to to connect. And that's why it's a strategy and you're the biggest part of the strategy is saying, this feels right or this doesn't feel right. And examining why. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah, that digging in, it's like you don't wanna dwell on the past, but you need to go there to resolve what's still plaguing you so you can move forward in the future.

So it's been great talking to you, Kim. Before we wrap up the episode, what's the best way for people to get ahold of you and continue the conversation? 

Kim Korte: Kim corti.com is directly to me, but get sensory syn is allows you to get to me too, but it will tell you about how you can work [01:13:00] with me. 

David Pasqualone: And if I remember, I think I just saw an email from you, you had a special offer for our listeners.

Kim Korte: Yes. If you reach out to me and say that. You heard me on this program. I will give you a 20% discount, but you have to let me know that they heard from you, from you, me, and that will be good through the end of this year. 

David Pasqualone: Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much. So ladies and gentlemen take this episode, pray about it, ponder it, check out Kim's website, look at the offer.

We'll put a link in the show notes. You know, we don't make a penny off at. Our goal is to help you grow and glorify God. But if you feel like Kim is the woman that God put in your life right now, check her out. Continue the conversation. Work on your diaphragm so you don't get hiccups. And and that's it.

Kim, man, it's been fantastic having you here today. Is there, are there any other closing thoughts or any message you want to leave with our [01:14:00] audience before we wrap up this podcast episode? 

Kim Korte: You know, I think it's just it. Just remember that your feelings aren't facts, and that should give you. Some solace when they feel so strong to say, oh wait, maybe this isn't right.

And that it's a prediction of your brain based on the past. So you're always living in the past in this present, and the only way to change your future is to understand how you feel and understand your feelings and make them be what you want them to be, not what was handed to you. 

David Pasqualone: I think that's excellent advice and ladies and gentlemen, I hope you don't just enjoy this episode, but like our slogan says, I hope you listen to the good Kim shared.

Repeat it each day, form positive habits. [01:15:00] Excuse me. Listen to repeat over and over again so you can have a great life in this world, and more importantly, an attorney come. So I'm David Pasqualone. This is our Remarkable friend, Kim Corte. And Kim, thank you so much for being here today. 

Kim Korte: It was truly, truly a pleasure.

I just enjoyed it tremendously. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah, thank you. Me too. And ladies and gentlemen, we hope you enjoyed it. Share this with your friends and family so we can help as many people as possible. Put it out on social media and write what you liked about it. If you didn't like something, let me know in private so we can make the show better.

We love you and we'll see you in the next episode. Ciao.

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