Joe Barnes | The Rebel Code: Questioning Everything to Find Your Place in the World & Win

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Guest Bio: Joe Barnes is the Amazon bestselling author of “The Rebel Code” and “Escape The System.” He helps his readers break free from conventional ways of working and living to find authentic happiness and success. He’s also spent many years working as a hypnotherapist, speaker and coach.

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Joe Barnes | The Rebel Code: Questioning Everything to Find Your Place in the World & Win

David Pasqualone: Hello friend, welcome to the Remarkable People podcast. Today we have a friend from the UK join us, Joe Barnes. Joe Barnes is a four time published author, he's a hypnotherapist, he's actually a tennis coach, and so much more. We're going to talk about his life story, and then at the end, we're going to dig in to practical ways that you can apply his knowledge and truths that he's sharing in this episode about the difference between questioning authority and asking the question, the difference between just taking for granted and doing what The public the government the status quo is verse saying can there be a better way?

Is this even the right thing to do? So he talks about how You have the rebel code and he explains about the rebel code and what it is and the 12 steps We talk about the dangers of hypnotherapy [00:01:00] and how you can get someone that's a quack or someone that's qualified. We talk about a bunch of life tips.

We even get into politics. But at the end of the day, the purpose of this episode is to help you see who you are. How God made you and how we can sharpen one another and become even better people And then at the end of this episode joe not only gives you a way to reach out and contact him If you want to continue the conversation But he also goes and gives a free promo code to our listeners For the first three days when the show launches you can get his new book for only 99 cents So that's it.

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David Pasqualone: Hey, Joe. How are you today, brother? I'm 

Joe Barnes: good. Thanks, david. Glad to be here, 

David Pasqualone: man. We are happy to have you I just told our listeners a little bit about you and what this episode they can expect But right out of your mouth if someone's gonna invest a half an hour hour hour and a half their life with us today What do you guarantee?

You're gonna deliver to them that they can use to apply to their lives and better their lives by the time it's over 

Joe Barnes: Right, so I'm gonna make them think I'm going to make them question their reality, question their lives, question their commonly held assumptions, and by doing so, perhaps unearth a [00:03:00] different path that they can walk or give them the, the validation, the affirmation that they're on the right path, that they should take that, that path, which diverges slightly from the mainstream from what everybody else is doing.

So that I can promise. All right, so 

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David Pasqualone: All right, Joe, let's do this. We told them we're gonna have our listeners and myself included.

We're gonna reflect on what we believe and why. We're gonna go deeper into is this what we really want and how it's gonna benefit us in the future by reframing our thinking in a positive way that lines up biblically. So for you, Tell us about your life. You obviously just didn't wake up one day and this was super important to you, right?

And you had a method laid out like the Ten Commandments. [00:05:00] So where's Joe from? What was your upbringing like? And we'll walk through your life to today. 

Joe Barnes: Okay, so I'm from a little village just outside of London, England, just south of, uh, grew up there, went to school, had a stable. Um, went to good, had a good education, but by the time I got to 18, going to university, I started to question everything about my life, about where it was headed and found out that the path that was laid out for me, the path that society said I should be living, the path that my parents said I should be, I should be walking.

was not the path that I wanted to walk. So I had some serious questions at that time. Probably as a result of that, did a lot of soul searching and my life took initially a turn for the worse but then once I found the answers to the questions I was asking it got a whole lot better. [00:06:00] 

David Pasqualone: And talk about that, so do you have any brothers and sisters growing up?

Was it you as an only child? What was your 

Joe Barnes: one younger brother four years younger than me. 

David Pasqualone: Okay. And so when you were growing up, do you feel like you guys were wired the same? Was it different? Were you, you know, how, how was that relationship there? 

Joe Barnes: Funny, very close. But, yeah, wired very differently. He was very, you know, I was having lots of arguments with my dad as a teenager because I was the one who asked, you know, why?

My dad would say, do this. And I'd say, well, why? And he said, because I said so. Now, Part of me realizes as I got older that as a child, you owe your dad and your parents a level of respect so they can tell you to do things without you asking why, but I only realized that as I was older, but the other part of me was, you know, I do understand why a teenager 15, 16, 17 years old [00:07:00] doesn't just accept things, wants to know why he's being told to do certain things.

So my brother was very different in the fact he would just say, yeah, sure. Okay, I'll do it. And then nine times out of 10, he wouldn't do it anyway, but he would just opt for the easy life. Whereas I'd opt for the difficult path, which was wanting to know. What was behind it all? Why am I being told to do this?

And it just wasn't just with my dad. It was at school or at the end of my schooling at university. Why am I being told that life has got to be a certain way? I wanted to know the answer. And as a result of that, me and my brother, although we share interests, we both love sports and we're both quite similar in some ways.

So very different outlooks in terms of, um, one of us We'll just choose the easy path. It's quite content with that has, you know, happy life. The other one wants to shoot for the stars. But as a result of [00:08:00] that has to take on all the challenges that life can throw at you. So that's that's the difference.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, and it's crazy because you can, you know, people always ask Stereotypical question, you know, what do you want to be when you grow up and most people don't know but they figure it out And there's some of us who are 48 and we still don't know what you want to be when we grow up We're just taking it day by day.

So when you were younger Asking questions. It seemed like you were more on the path of trying to figure out who you were and why Whether you realize that's what was going on. Is that correct? 

Joe Barnes: Yes. Yeah, I didn't, as you say, I didn't really realize what was going on, but I knew that I was the kind of person who had to, who thought deeply about things and had to ask questions and explore things.

I remember being. 10 years old and having a, a, um, a babysitter come over. So like 18 year old, uh, [00:09:00] girl, woman come over and you'd have conversations. And I remember having quite deep conversations about why, why, why did we need money in society? What was the purpose of it? That kind of thing. So I was always leaning towards wanting to know what was going on in the world and why it was happening.

And that then eventually Led me to discover my purpose at around the age of 22, but I didn't really, uh, you know, I had an inkling of what I wanted to do in my late teens, but nothing solidified until I was around. Yeah, 22 years old. My last year at university I read quite an impactful book. Um, that played a big role in, in opening my eyes to certain things and then I had a vision for what I wanted my, my life to be.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, and what happened that was the catalyst was just part of your curriculum. Did a friend recommend the book? How did you get to that point? 

Joe Barnes: So I was studying politics, which [00:10:00] I thought was where my future was going to lie But I found my course very boring at university. So I lost motivation, lost interest in studying it.

And I got interested in personal development and I read a book called the power of your subconscious mind. And that just really a light bulb went off in my mind after reading it for 22 years, I'd spent being told that whatever I wanted to do, it wasn't possible. And this was the first. You know, it's not even a person.

It's a source. It's a book, an author who'd written a book telling me that I could live the life I wanted. And I was just like, wow, nobody's ever said that to me. Everybody's always said, you've got to be realistic. They're going to be restrictions. They're going to be limitations. Nobody's happy all of the time.

Um, Nobody really lives exciting lives. I can remember my university tutor saying that to us when we were looking at careers. And yet here was [00:11:00] this one source, this one thing that was telling me, no, actually, you can have the life you want. And after I read that, I then had a, I call it an epiphany of being speaking in front of an audience.

Empowering an audience. I think empowering people. And from there, I got it into my head that I needed to write a book. It took me forever to get my first book out there. And now I've got a series of books out. The latest one being my newest release, which you can see. Behind me, which is the rebel code. 

David Pasqualone: All right before we get to the rebel code and some of your other books So now you're 22 you read this book it Revolutionizes your thinking and you're having this epiphany.

Where does your life go from there Joe? 

Joe Barnes: Yeah, it doesn't go in a dramatic Hollywood movie. My life changes in a year at all if anything, you know, it kind of went a little bit downhill [00:12:00] after that because I left university, didn't really know how to make this work, just had the idea of writing a book and everybody's telling me it's impossible.

Nobody makes any money as an author, you know, don't even bother trying. So it's like, well, what the hell do I do then? So I spent a year working odd jobs, doing a little bit of traveling. And then, then on my tennis playing as a, as a kid, which I played tennis a fair amount. I was never in a position where I was going to go pro.

I never really played enough. Um, but I knew some guys who were doing tennis coaching and the thing I liked about it was that it paid pretty well considering you, you could get paid relatively well per hour. And I liked the sound of that because I didn't want to do. 40 or 50, 60 hours work a week. So I said, right, why don't I train as a tennis coach?

It was about a year after I left university, trained as a tennis coach, got my qualification, but then obviously I'm interested in personal development as [00:13:00] well. So I thought, well, why don't I train as a hypnotherapist as well? Because again, it pays relatively well per hour. I want to be in charge of my time.

I don't fancy working employed jobs. I've done a few odd jobs here and there, and never liked it. Don't like that nine to five schedule. So trained as a hypnotherapist. Then I started supporting myself through tennis coaching and hypnotherapy, and kind of deferred my whole book writing vision. But once I built that platform for myself, that's when I went back to and thought, right.

Let's shoot at trying to be a self help author. Let's see if I can make this happen. So that, that was how I progressed from about the age of 22 to 27 when I first started writing in earnest, when I really put my head down and thought, man, I've got to come up with this book. I've had this idea now for five years, I've got to put pen to paper and make it a reality.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, and talk about this too, because, [00:14:00] um, myself and most people don't understand what hypnotherapy really is and they're afraid of it. And I'll be honest with you, I don't like the idea of hypnotherapy because I don't know enough about it. You know what I mean? So I avoid. And I won't let anything in my body physically, you know, pharmaceuticals or anything, unless I really understand what it is, what it's supposed to do.

And, and, and I safeguard myself. So what is hypnotherapy? Because, you know, you're a good tennis player and you can coach, become a tennis coach, but hypnotherapist, it sounds like you should have like 20 years of schooling and you just. When I started doing it. Right. So what is hypnotherapy for the millions of people like myself who don't really understand it and how did it work?

Like, how did you get into it and you were able to transition so easy? 

Joe Barnes: Sure. So it wasn't easy. And I did have a very brief amount of schooling. I do the 10 month course, but again, not enough. You know, when I [00:15:00] first started, I felt so underprepared. You know lacking in confidence. It took me a while. I've been doing it for 20 years now as we speak right now It's just about the 20th anniversary of me seeing my first paid client So hey, congratulations.

That's a big milestone. Thank you very much so I felt like actually in hindsight, I should have had more training because It's it's not easy thing to do basically, it's a way of getting into somebody's subconscious in a positive, productive way. You know, there's, there's, you're there to help the person.

So yes, some people are a bit skeptical or a bit fearful of what might happen, but I always tell them, you know, me as a hypnotherapist, I can't control your mind against your will. It's something we're working on together, so it's just a way of accessing the subconscious of somebody and rewiring or [00:16:00] changing some of the old programming that's holding them back, whether that's a fear that's holding them back, or whether it's they're just stuck in a habit, um, smoking, or they have an addiction, smoking, or weight loss, and they're trying to change the way they, their mind operates when it comes to food or, or whatever it might be.

So. I find it's really effective because you've got psychotherapy, you've got counseling, that's all face to face talking, conscious level, you know, and there's a place for that. There really is a place for all of that. But hypnotherapy is different because you're accessing the deeper part of the mind using their subc sorry, using their imagination.

to try to put certain triggers in there and certain, um, pattern interrupts in there to help them overcome whatever it is they're struggling with. 

David Pasqualone: Nice. So, okay. There's good police officers. There's bad police officers. There's good counselors. There's bad counselors. And I'm [00:17:00] talking about quality of the workmanship.

There's good doctors. There's crap doctors. So when you're working with a psychotherapist, Or a someone who's actually going to go in and deal with your subconscious. What are the things you're like, Dave, make sure you're looking for this and you avoid that. So, you know, we got listeners from all around the world and if they were going to go under, undergo hypnosis, you know, how do they know what's safe?

Joe Barnes: Okay, so it's pretty much it's going to be safe because Well, I, I would say this, if you're a little concerned, ask for a free consultation before, you know, you do it, do it via Zoom, I, I, I'm happy to do that with any of the clients I see, at least that way, you will see the therapist face to face, your detection system may pick up any funny vibes if they're not the right person for you, at least, you know, see them on a screen and see what your intuition tells you.

So this is something you can do online, it doesn't have to be face [00:18:00] to face. I'm talking about like an initial consultation. So that would just be us discussing. I wouldn't do any trance work there. You can do online sessions. I prefer them to do the do them in person. I always find them a bit more powerful, but sometimes I see people from overseas.

So it's not possible. And we do it via zoom. But ideally I like to see people person to person, um, beyond that, beyond just getting a feeling for what they're like, maybe you could ask them what kind of suggestions they use. So for example, I've just been seeing a client recently and he's had a problem that he was seeing a hypnotherapist with before and that hypnotherapist very much used direct suggestions.

So that was basically, you can do this, you can do that. It is possible, it will work, which sounds fair enough, but sometimes the subconscious mind doesn't accept that because you only really accept that kind of direct [00:19:00] suggestion if the person you're working with is such an authority figure to you, has so much power in your standing, in your mind, that you accept the words that they say.

And that may not always be the case with a hypnotherapist you've just met once or twice. So you've got to ask them, do they use direct suggestion or do they use indirect suggestion? So indirect suggestion is mainly what I use, because it's a more subtle form of impressing somebody's mind with the idea that, uh, that your confident is going to help them.

Um, overcome whatever it is that they're trying to do. So, I might use metaphors. I might tell them stories relating to their issue. But I'm talking around the issue. But the subconscious picks up on the deeper meaning of what I'm saying. Rather than just saying, You can do this. You will stop smoking.

Because, you know, you say to somebody, You will stop smoking. But the subconscious can't process the negative. So what they're really [00:20:00] hearing is smoking. You will, you will smoke smoking. It's almost like an instruction to keep smoking. So you've got to be, it's not as easy as just saying, do this or do that.

So if I was to advise your listeners, I would say, you know, Ask a hypnotherapist what kind of suggestions they use, whether they just use direct suggestion or whether there's some indirect suggestion as well. Nothing wrong with using a little bit of direct suggestion, but if the entire session is like that, it can be quite hard to, to make it a successful session.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, and for you and the listeners, when I said easy to get into, if you are a floor cleaner, There is a level of mastery and you can't beat a man in his own job. If you're a rocket scientist, if you're a hypnotherapist host, there's levels of skill that can always be developed. And I wasn't insinuating that hypnotherapy is easy.

I think playing with the brain is very [00:21:00] complicated. It's probably the, I think it is the least understood part of a human. is the brain, right? So you're in uncharted territory. What I meant by easy was there's not like a 20 year training certification or licensing. It's like you could, like you said, you took 10 month classes and then you were, you were licensed, correct?

Joe Barnes: Yeah. Believe it or not, that was one of the longer courses. Some people do a weekend. That's and that's 

David Pasqualone: what that's what I meant by easy and to me like there should be certain things that have hard barriers of entry like you don't want people just messing with your brain, right? So, okay, I appreciate you helping us set up these boundaries of what to look for and what to avoid.

Joe Barnes: Yeah, well, I don't know how it is in the US, but in the UK it's still quite unregulated. So I don't I think you don't even need a qualification. You could just put yourself online, say. I'm a hypnotherapist, come and see me. So yes, you have got to be a [00:22:00] little bit careful with that. So it's, it is a little bit, you know, like the wild west.

There's not a lot of regulation. Um, that doesn't mean people are doing bad jobs or taking advantage of people, but it does mean that you should probably thoroughly investigate which, whatever hypnotherapist you want to hire and work with. So yeah, I get what you're, I get what you're saying with, yeah, it's, it's very.

It's very easy to call yourself a hypnotherapist. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. When you have someone who's good at their craft and their art and they're a master of it, that's invaluable. But what I meant is like, you don't want to get stuck with somebody who hijacks your brand. Like, you see these movies and, you know, I know those are dramatized, they're Hollywood, but they make people do things.

So, You just have this fear. But even if it's not like that sinister and dramatic, like as a Christian, I worry about letting my defenses go. What else am I letting into my body? What am I? You know, if someone is trying to help me, like you said, [00:23:00] they're saying stop smoking, but really there's no negative.

It's only positive. So it's just smoke, smoke, smoke. So even if someone has good intentions, they could be harming you in your brain, right? Yeah, 

Joe Barnes: yeah, yes, I agree, but also to a degree the hypnotherapist's power and control over you isn't as absolute as people think. So if you were to suggest something that was just too out there, so, so let's say I'm totally unscrupulous and I say, and when you, uh, come out of the trance, you will find that you are just.

Really happy to give me access to your bank account and there's no limit to which I can't Credit to which I can't call on from that account Now if I was to say something like that, not that i've ever said something like that, but if I was You would reject it. You would not accept that suggestion. There is No Derren brown, I don't know if you know who [00:24:00] derren brown is Um, is a mentalist.

He's got a lot of shows about how he persuades people to do some kind of criminal acts, but no, no person like that. No, you know, best hypnotherapist in the world will be able to do that to somebody, um, because you would simply reject the suggestion because you still have a degree. of control and autonomy over your mind.

David Pasqualone: And again, most people, and you correct me if I'm wrong, like most people are coming to you for stop smoking or weight loss or overcome depression. So it's a different world than, um, you know, somebody was saying, Hey, I have this desire, I want to kill people. And you're trying to take their desire away.

Well, if their heart really wants to kill people, that could be something you could potentially manipulate them to do. Correct. 

Joe Barnes: Yes, if the motivation is there, that's when hypnotherapy, if the motivation is not there, you probably can't get them to do something, but if it's [00:25:00] there, that's when hypnotherapy can be good to give them the push to do it, to do the thing that they're planning to do.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, so you, you work on this on this very complex and I'm against government, like big government, I think the government's role is national defense and it ends there, like that's where it should be right. But at the same time, like there should be some within countries, like I'm on. against like certifications because it says this person put 10 years into studying.

You put 20 years into studying. I'd feel good if I was going to undergo hypnotherapy that someone with experience and a track record of success is working on me, right? I don't want somebody to touch my car. That's a crappy mechanic. Why would I let somebody touch my brain? So, 

Joe Barnes: yeah. I just think it's too small of an industry for them to bother.

I totally agree with you, but it's It's just like, it's so niche that I just don't think anybody has really taken, any [00:26:00] government has taken the time to say, yeah, we really need to crack down on these hypnotherapists, you know, they're, They're influencing people's minds in terrible ways. Yeah, 

David Pasqualone: no, and it's again, it's just, I'm just in a perfect world kind of deal, but all right, so now you're 27, you're coaching tennis, you're doing hypnotherapy.

Bring us from there to 

Joe Barnes: today. So that's when I started writing my first book, and it took me four and a half years and about five rewrites to get it finally out and done. So I published it in 2012. At the time it was called Screw the System, but then I changed it a few years later to Escape the System, and that now is my, my most popular book to date.

I had three other books since then, Do the Work You Love. I got a publishing deal for that, so I self published my first book, I got a publishing deal for my second book, and [00:27:00] I released that, well, I didn't release it, the publishing company released it with the terrible timing of one month before all the lockdowns came into effect with COVID.

So 2020. So this is my going to be my big break. You know, my book was going to be in bookstores except nobody could go to any bookstore. So that didn't go so well. I had modest sales, but the publishing company didn't consider them good enough to to print a second, uh, do a second print run or even do any promotion when the stores open back up.

After that initial six month run. So that was a bit of a downer, but I kept going because I believe in what I'm doing. I published, self published another book, and then I've got my new release, which is the one behind me. And that, in terms of my writing, brings you, that's the sort of quick, quick timeline of the stuff that's, of what's gone on with my writing.[00:28:00] 

David Pasqualone: All right. And then now, with everything going on with your book, What are you focused on? Oh, actually, before we go on, what are you focused on today? And where are you heading next? Between your birth and today, is there anything we missed significant in your life that you want to cover or a point like, you know, we talked about at the beginning of the episode.

What is our listener gonna learn? We talked about questioning everything. So that's where we're gonna be heading shortly. But is there anything in your life that we missed between your birth and today? Um, 

Joe Barnes: I mean, yeah, that's, 

David Pasqualone: that's significant that you want to share. 

Joe Barnes: I, I guess, yes, in terms of learning life lessons.

Okay. Let's just say one thing, um, that I, and this is 

David Pasqualone: your show. Take as much time as you want. The goal is to give us nuggets that the listener can run with and apply to their life and grow too. So whatever you want to share, we're good with as long as it's the truth. 

Joe Barnes: Let's do 

David Pasqualone: it. [00:29:00] 

Joe Barnes: I'll share it with you then.

So one thing I would say I had a very happy early childhood up until the age of 11 when I changed schools, and I went from a school, a small, isolated school where we were all friends. There was only maybe 21 of us, 22 of us in a year group. to a bigger secondary school. It wasn't huge, but there's 125 in a year group, five different classes.

And I just struggled. I really struggled to fit in to find my way and my life got turned upside down. So it was one of those cases where it was. Your life is one way, one day, and then the very next day, everything changes. That was like my first day at this secondary school. Everything changed. It was the first time I experienced being lonely in my life, and the first time I experienced not having any friends, and me trying to then deal with that and come to terms with it and not.[00:30:00] 

adjusting, not fitting in and then spending four or five years of my, the rest of my school life, not fitting in. Maybe I did towards the end of it. I kind of figured it out. But then when I went to university, that whole experiencing experience happening all over again, struggling to fit in. I didn't drink alcohol at the time and British universities.

I don't know what it's like in the U S but certainly British universities around the year 2000, everything revolved around alcohol. You know, students were going out five or six nights out of seven, getting wasted, um, having hangovers, and I just couldn't relate to it whatsoever. So, um, someone who after the age of 11 just felt like I was on the periphery of my peer group.

The whole time. So I had a completely different perspective on life. And very recently, you know, I've just got into this mindset because I forged a different life for [00:31:00] myself, which I'm happy with. But sometimes I still feel like, um, a bit like a bit like I, you know, that I haven't escaped that moment. of that day my life changed when I went to secondary school, that that still has an impact over me.

So I've just recently said to me, to myself, maybe only in the last year, I think it was after I had a dream about it and I woke up at night thinking about it, that I'm not going to let that define my life. You know, that, that was a big thing, but it shouldn't mean that my whole life is changed and not what it could have been had that experience not happened to me.

I'm not going to let that misfortune determine my life. I'm the one who's going to decide how happy my life is, how successful it is, how much I connect with other people, and how [00:32:00] much, you know, how many friendships I have, etc. I'm not going to look back and say, Oh, I was so unfortunate. You know, I went to this school, I just couldn't fit in.

That tainted my life ever since I said, no, it's not going to be the story. I tell myself I'm going to change that story and I have been changing it over all these years. But I think it's that that final little bit of a change to completely mean that the. Bad experience of my past is, is 100 percent behind me.

So that's, that's something I, that's one story I'd share, um, while you ask that question, Dave. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah, no, I think that's, I was actually having a very similar conversation last week with someone and they were talking about how There's very few people who really want to learn and grow. Most people just want to be right, or [00:33:00] they just want to be accepted.

And like, you start off this episode with asking questions, why? Like, not just what to do, but why am I doing it, right? And when you find the small percentage of the population that truly wants to know why. Like, they're not just taking calculus to pass and become an engineer. They're taking calculus because they're trying to understand calculus, right?

So it's driving them nuts. And they're working 12 hours a day where their classmates are working too, but they want to understand it. So, I think you're part of a good, but different breed where most people don't necessarily care that much to know why, but our listeners are part of that breed where they want to know why they want to be listening to this show.

They're trying to learn, what do I believe? Why? And how do I apply the successes from others? So I think it's really great you brought that up and the friends. Talk about that, you know, my mom, she would always tell me growing up if [00:34:00] you have one or two real friends in your life That's huge. That's a blessing and I think for people who are wired this way that question things It's even harder to find those one or two friends.

So how how are you doing with finding real people you connect with? 

Joe Barnes: That that's always been a struggle Um, I have good relationships in my life now, but even the closest ones, you know, even my parents, my brother, my girlfriend, my partner, she, you, sometimes I just feel like there, there isn't really anyone who truly sort of understands the way my, my mind works and my thinking, and I'm someone who's okay with.

You know, we can be different and we can still be friends. That's not, I don't have to, my friends, my loved ones don't have to agree with me on everything. And [00:35:00] don't, we don't have to think the same on everything. I'm more and more, I see now in the media, um, especially I observe it in the U S is that, um, that either you agree with someone on a hundred percent or they're the complete enemy.

You know, you see it more and more now with, uh, Donald Trump as a, as somebody observing from the UK, you know, that you, they tried to make him out to be the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. And it's, it's just ridiculous. I mean, I'm not one of Donald Trump fan or a Donald Trump hater, but I know he's not the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler.

That's just absurd. Yeah. So. I know he's not trying to undermine democracy in the U. S. It's complete nonsense. And yet you have this situation where people think if you don't agree with him 100 percent then you're a bad person. So I've [00:36:00] never really been like that. So even though I struggled to find people.

With whom are completely on my way of thinking and the same wavelength as me. I can still have great relationships with people who, who do think a little differently and who don't, you know, who don't understand why I do the things I do. For example, my parents had never really understood why I would choose to throw what they consider throw away a good education to pursue a career as a writer, a personal development writer.

They're like, well, why don't you. They were both lawyers, you see, why don't you, you know, do what we did, basically, you know, it's there for you. You could have gone and done it, but it didn't, didn't hold the same appeal to me. So, um, so yeah, back to what I was saying, it's, it's, I can get on with people, even though we, you know, we think a little bit differently.

But yeah, I do struggle to find people who are [00:37:00] really on the same wavelength as me. And that can be, it can be a little lonely, even though I've got friends, I'm in a relationship, got great relationship with my parents. You can get a little lonely because you just feel like, man, nobody really, really sees the world in the same way that I do.

I mean, I get that. I feel it from my readers. You know, when I get an email from people and I can tell my books have resonated with them, but then you're not always best friends with your readers, because they may live on the other side of the world, or they just email you to tell you that they love the book, and you may, you email them back with a lot of appreciation, but you know, you don't develop a friendship off the back of that.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, and people don't, you're writing it, maybe a one in 10, 000 ratio. You'll hear from a reader who picked up your book. Same thing with podcasting. Like we have listeners all over the world, but we don't get to see them or interact with them very much. So it's, there is like this isolation and [00:38:00] loneliness.

Um, yeah, I definitely. Get what you're saying. And then also, did your brother end up being a lawyer? 

Joe Barnes: No, no, 

David Pasqualone: school teacher. Oh, thank God. If he was a lawyer, your parents really would have been all over you. So, okay. So now, you are an author. You have, you work with the psycho, not psychotherapy. Wait, is that the correct word?

Hypnotherapy. Hypnotherapy. My mind just blanked out, right? What are you doing to me? No, I'm just kidding. So you got the hypnotherapy. You got the author. You've written three books now, you said? Four. Four books. What's the fourth? I missed one. 

Joe Barnes: Uh, that was the, I didn't mention the Personal Freedom Manifest.

So that was my third book. 

David Pasqualone: Okay. Okay. I thought, because I'm like, I wrote down three. Okay, good. All right. So you wrote four books. You have the hypnotherapy. What else is [00:39:00] going on in your life or where are you heading next before we get to the real practical ABC steps one two three that our listeners can try some of this and start moving forward in their life Um like questioning there's a huge difference with questioning someone And asking a question, and you mentioned that about your father growing up, like before you didn't give him the respect he deserved as a father, but you were a kid, you got to learn that, right?

And again, if I have, whether it's a boss or a friend, if they tell me something, it's like, Oh, why is that? That's asking a question. But if you have that wrong attitude, you're actually questioning them. Like, you don't know what you're talking about. So talk about healthy questioning. What is that? 

Joe Barnes: Um, 

David Pasqualone: it's, 

Joe Barnes: it's not accepting at face value what the majority opinion is.

So, I mean, I don't know whether we can [00:40:00] discuss this or not, but I think a great, tell me if you'd rather avoid the subject, but I mean, COVID is a great example of that. Yeah, dude, go ahead, man. 

David Pasqualone: I can, I mean, you, listen, I'm with you, whether we agree or disagree. Some of my literal best friends that I die for, we have dramatically different beliefs, but we're still friends and either I'm right and they're wrong, they're right and I'm wrong, or we're both wrong, but we need God's truth.

So the whole goal is iron sharpeneth iron. So the man, the countenance of his friend. I believe as long as we're telling what it's honest and we're seeking the truth, God's will, God's truth, God's understanding, I'm good, man. So, but just so you know where I stand, I think COVID was man made and meant to destroy in a horrible, horrible disaster for the planet.

So you can say you love the vaccine, you can say you hate it, but I disagree. I think it was killing more people than the, that COVID vaccine killed more people than [00:41:00] the COVID did. 

Joe Barnes: Well, I that's that's the kind of questions you got to ask. And I. You know, very much was asking those questions. You know, if you go back to 2020, we would being told this is the situation.

This is the way things are. The media were telling us when the media were telling us that would get into the minds of, you know, 90 percent of people who were then repeating what the media was saying and saying, this is the situation. This is terrible, you know, reacting to cove it as if it was, Ebola, you know, Ebola has a 50 percent death rate.

Okay. And that's, I felt literally how people were reacting rather than reacting to a virus that yeah, it was worse than the flu. But at the end of the day, I think the World Health Organization said it had a death rate of 0. 6. So it wasn't this tremendous killer that it was made out to be. So I was asking those questions.

And. I [00:42:00] wanted to know, really, is this as dangerous as it's being made out to be? You know, my personal lived reality told me it wasn't that dangerous. I didn't know a single person that had been harmed by it. Um, so I wanted to know answers. And then when I was being told that, look, you know, we're pretty much being forced to take a vaccine, I wanted to know, well, is that actually safe?

Should we really be doing this just because the government and, um, pharmaceutical companies who stand to gain a lot by people taking it tell us that we should have it. So that's, that's always been my mentality is not to just accept things I'm told. And by asking those questions, um, usually I, I then find out.

Some interesting information and information that can benefit me. I came to the conclusion as a Relatively young and healthy person that there was no [00:43:00] reason or need for me to take a vaccine against kovat 19 because If even if I caught it, it wasn't gonna do anything to me There was a the chances of it harming me was so minimal now if I took the vaccine Okay, but what was the point in taking it when I, there was, I wasn't really under any threat from COVID anyway, so I wasn't going to put that into my system so that I, you know, this was the whole questioning process I went through.

I remember being a dinner table at the time. Everybody else being vaccine saying you should do it. You really need to take it. You know, Oh, you know, protect yourself, but also you've got to protect other people. What do you, you know, you, you could be harming other people. And I just thought to myself, no, I'm not going to do that.

And as time, time progressed and we found out, well, actually COVID really wasn't as dangerous. It was, it was made out. And a lot of people were having adverse reactions to the vaccine. I thought. Yeah, I'm really proud of myself that I didn't, I [00:44:00] questioned things and I didn't just accept what I was being told.

I thought I'm actually, I feel good about myself for that. And this, yeah, that's one example. But it could be applied to so many different situations, whether it's the media telling you something or whether it's your teachers, your careers advisors telling you your path through life. is only, you know, as a university graduate, you need to get a graduate job.

Your chances, you know, I got told my chances of making it as a hypnotherapist or an author were, were minimal, you know, 1%. That's just not possible. It's not something you can really do. You can't really make a living out of doing that. So again, I had to question that assumption, but the unfortunate thing back then was I was a little bit, I wasn't as mentally strong as I am now.

So a lot of those. Doubts that were put into my mind stayed in my mind and even though it didn't stop me pursuing my path and following my dreams, it put enough doubt in my mind that it hindered [00:45:00] me in doing so. So it wasn't like I didn't just dive straight into the pool and go for it. I was constantly dipping my toe in and that just delayed me.

It caused me a lot of delay by, by allowing those doubts into my mind. And I would say that your So far better making a mistake by being headstrong and finding out that you are wrong and course correcting than it is by doubting yourself and taking years and years and years to do something because you're neither committing to one thing or the other.

David Pasqualone: Yeah. And I think so. I mean, I have, I have an off topic question that I'm dying to ask you about COVID and the, the psych, the psychological. Uh, manipulation, like from your perspective, I would love to ask you, maybe I'll ask you at the end or off camera, because you're probably watching the news and being like, yeah, these are manipulation tactics to get in people's heads.

Um, but when it comes to people in general. We [00:46:00] have people listening now, you know, most of the time, whether you take a personality test, you know, they say these different names, they can have four or 16, but they're all the same. They just label it different and keep making money giving personality tests.

But if you go with the animal one, you have like the beaver, the lion, the otter, uh, and the golden retriever, like the four main personality types. And you know, some people are golden retrievers. They just want to make everybody happy. And they're great people, but they're going to have a hard time questioning and then you have the lions They'll have no problem questioning and crushing people while they're doing it, right?

We got to learn to back off so When you're speaking to everybody in general, I agree with you 100%. We should know what we're doing and why. And if somebody's trying to, it doesn't matter if they're just trying, if they're trying to put a vaccine in us, or if they're trying to tell us how to vote, or if they're just trying to tell us which bread to buy, we need to really.

Ask the questions. Is there [00:47:00] a process because the way I think and it sounds like the way you think we are just naturally Wired by god That this came easier for us So for the people that don't necessarily question, is there something that you found over the years to say? Okay, when you come on a new situation ask this ask this ask this is there anything like that you found works joe?

Joe Barnes: Yeah, that's a great point, Dave, because exactly as you said, I think for me, it was just ingrained in, in built in me that to question. I don't think I, it's one of my key personality traits. It's not something I developed, you know, some skills you develop, some things you learn. I never did with this because it was just always And, uh, you there.

Um, so I would just, there's a great quote by Mark Twain, I think it's something along the lines of when you find yourself in the majority, it's time to ask questions or, or [00:48:00] do something, or he's basically saying that be wary of being in the majority opinion. You know, there could be something wrong with that.

So I've just say to your listeners, if, if you are in that situation, doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong. But it's worth just stepping back from it and saying, you know, why is it that this, this message about a certain way of living, you know, we've all got to live a certain way. Or that a certain way of dealing with a problem or issue in arises in society.

Why are we being told this is the way we have to deal with it? Who does it benefit? Ultimately, um, that is the thing you've got to understand. And I like that. I never heard that before about the lion, the golden retriever, the otter, because I'm quite interested in personality types. And my book actually goes into it because I say, There are three types of people.

There are leaders, followers, and rebels, [00:49:00] basically. Oh, okay. And my view is that only 5 percent of the population at any given time are going to be rebels. The rest of the population, either leaders or followers, majority of followers, but there are a few, you know, quite a few leaders out there. And I think that, you know, the status quo benefits the leaders and followers.

You know, it keeps the leaders in a position of power and it keeps the followers relatively safe. And followers are driven by a need for security. That's, they don't have to live great lives, just as long as they feel comfortable and safe, that's good enough for them. So by questioning things and asking who does this benefit, most times it's always going to benefit The status quo and the people in power and the people who need to feel who feel safe.

By following the status quo and not having that disrupted. So if you ask yourself that question, who is this information [00:50:00] benefiting, then you might be able to unpack it and find out if if there's a different way that might work a little bit better for you. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah, and I think that's super great way to start if you're struggling because two plus two is always four, no matter whether it's Great Britain or United States or Australia, if the government's telling you it's five, they're, they're liars, right?

Two plus two is always four. Um, so when you're talking, Joe, about asking those questions and following the money, like I told my kids growing up, I'm like, if you want the truth, you go to God's word. But in man's world, if you want the truth, you follow the money and the money's going to bring you to what's really going on.

And when we are born, I would say the majority of humans, and you can disagree with me, I don't mind at all, but what do they call it? The terrible twos when you have a kid and it's like, you know, mom, dad, why? Why? Well, why is this, this? [00:51:00] Well, you know, don't touch this because it's hot. Why is it hot? It's hot because I just cooked you dinner.

Why'd you cook me dinner? Because I have to eat. And it just goes on and on and on. I think we're innately born with that, actually. I think it's a God given build, but we're broken and told not to be that way at an early age. What do you think about that? 

Joe Barnes: I'd agree with you. Yeah, and especially at school. I just see, and I partly sympathize with teachers because they've got a tough job to do trying to control and, and, uh, control a classroom and what can be rowdy kids, but teachers are always stamping out any, any kind of independent thought, anything that might cause difficulties or throw up unpleasant questions.

So. We get it ingrained into us. Just, it's just easier. That's the whole thing. And most people want an easy life. So it's just easier not to ask any questions. That's a lesson we're taught [00:52:00] from a very, very early age. And I think it stays with us throughout childhood into teenage years, into our adult years.

We just get taught, you know, you may feel like something's a little bit off. But it's easier just to ignore that feeling and just go along with whatever, you know, whatever most people are doing in whatever environment you find yourself in, because you don't really want to open up a can of worms and make things difficult.

David Pasqualone: Yeah. And easy doesn't help you long term. Easy is only short term, ladies and gentlemen. So what Joe's saying is he's saying what most people do, but he's not saying that's right or the best path, because when you challenge things, you challenge your body, you go to the gym each day, you're tearing those muscles and it's hard, but you look back three months from today and you're huge, right?

Like huge in a good way, strong. But like, that's what Joe's talking about. If you're always going with the easy flow, you're going to end up down river in a swamp. You just got to be real careful with that. 

Joe Barnes: Yeah, absolutely. [00:53:00] And sometimes it doesn't happen until a lot later. You can get away with walking the easy path for 50 60 years, but it will catch up with you in the end.

And then usually the consequences are irreversible. Whereas if you ask hard questions, you take the hard path. Yes, things are really tough at the start, But if you get through that, that's when things tend to get easier. Um, because you've strengthened yourself and because you've forged you, you've forged a different life for yourself.

You've turned yourself into a new person. You tell yourself. into somebody who can handle difficulty and adversity. And that means that ultimately you life should get easier for you. Um, apart from the natural aspects of aging, but even then you can mitigate that to some degree. But if you never, if you just keep walking that easy path and, um, and what's the avoiding.

[00:54:00] adversity and difficulty, it may get to the point at some point in your life where it's just too, too great and it crushes you and there is no coming back from it. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And, and, you know, your new book's called The Rebel Code, and I understand, based on this conversation, what you mean by that, and there's a balance to it.

It's not just rebel against everything, anarchy. That's not what you're saying. You're saying question everything with reason and common sense that God gave you, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so when you were, before we finish up the episode, What is something, when people pick up your new book, The Rebel Code, what can they expect to get out of this book?

Joe Barnes: So, the subtitle is Twelve Steps to Find Your Place in the World and Win. So, it's written for people who, at certain times in their life, may struggle to think, you know, I don't [00:55:00] really, there's no job out there that immediately jumps out at me, there's no path through life, which I think, You know, this is a great fit to me.

I, rather than just following the crowd, I've got to find my own way through life. So that's what the book is really good for. It's 12, each, each step is like, uh, a rule to follow, except I didn't call it rules for rebels because some of my readers pointed out that rebels don't have rules. So you can't call it that chose.

So I had to call it the rebel code instead, but anyway, it's supposed to be guidelines. Guidelines for those questioning minds who want, who want to create a different kind of life for themselves. So, I mean, I can go into each one of the steps briefly or maybe just give you an overview. I don't know what's, what's easier.

David Pasqualone: Yeah. I mean, our show is all about not just what you achieved or overcome, but what you did in the practical steps of how you did it. So our listeners can too. So obviously we can't cover the whole book [00:56:00] in depth. But if you want to give a quick summary of, Hey, if you're listening, here's the 12 steps or here's even the first step to start.

And if you see it working, you know, contact me wherever you want to go with it, Joe. 

Joe Barnes: Oh, yeah. So we've got, basically we've got sort of philosophical steps. You've got financial steps. We got relationship steps. So I start off by saying step one is create your own world, but don't get lost in it. Step two is be guided by your heart when making major life decisions.

Step three, discover your passion. Step four, work on your own terms. Step five, save between 10 to 20 percent of your income every year. Step six, make at least one investment outside of a pension. So my whole idea is there are two types of freedom, you know, it's financial freedom, and then there's the freedom in your mind, within your mind.

So don't, don't just think because you're free in your mind that that's it. You know, you may want to be financially free because one of the ways the system grips us and gets a hold of [00:57:00] us is our need for money. So if you can create enough income so that you're not, um, You know, I call it a copy of phrase from a film where it says you've got to make fuck you money.

So if you can make enough money so that, you know, you don't have to have a boss, you don't have to go along with what other people want you to do. Then that's another level of freedom. Uh, step seven is about connection. It says, make time for other people. Step eight is. only get married if you're absolutely unequivocally certain that it's going to work.

So I'm not saying that marriage is wrong. I'm not saying that long term relationships are wrong. I'm just saying that if you're a rebel and you get in the wrong marriage, and you end up in a divorce court, it can seriously damage your quest for freedom. So step nine is avoid taking medication for mental health issues.

I might change the title of that to just protect your mental health as I'm releasing a second [00:58:00] edition. I know that's quite controversial for someone, some people, but again, I highlight the other side of the mental health problem in that basically, if you look at the statistics, There are a lot of over 50 percent of people who start using mental health medication either have a problem with side effects Well, they have serious problem with withdrawal symptoms when they try to get off it.

So again, I'm not saying never use it You can in some circumstances be useful But I'm just saying there are so many other things you can try to improve your mental health before you go down that route Step 10 never retire. So basically, you know, we get taught that Work hard all your life in a job you don't really enjoy, just so you can retire at 65 or 70.

I'm saying don't follow that approach. Find something stimulating or different stimulating things you can do throughout your life, and that way you get to feel alive all the time, irrespective of how [00:59:00] old you are. Step 11, rejoice in your curse. Basically, that is a philosophical approach to life, which says, You know, sometimes it's the bad things that happened to you can turn out to be the best thing.

So don't don't dismiss them too quickly. Step 12 is basically break the rules. And I don't mean break the law by that. I basically mean challenge the accepted way of doing things because that can actually be a superpower when you, um, break societal unwritten rules when you break the rules of it. You know, some certain work practice rules, it can lead to great innovations.

So combine those whole 12 steps and you have the complete picture and what I believe is, is being a happy and successful rebel. 

David Pasqualone: Awesome. Yeah. And you know, I mean, I'm going to tell you what I feel and what I believe in. I want you to tell me what you feel when you believe [01:00:00] everything you're saying, I feel like is balanced.

Um, and the rebel word, like in America, you get a picture of like these, like, like James Dean or like these hardcore, like anti. cultural people and um, it's cool. It's got a cool feel and I know that's what you're going for and that's good, but biblically I always struggle with the word rebel because rebel is like rebellion and it says that rebellions as bad as witchcraft So it's like when you're talking I agree with what you're saying and I understand that's the theme of your book But just to be real crystal clear to our listeners.

He's not telling you to rebel against god He's not telling you to rebel. He's saying just question And really look at what are you doing and why and what are the motives and is it the right direction? Are you being lied to? And are you like a sheep going to the slaughter, right? It's somebody about to smash your head with a sledgehammer for their own benefit and gain.

Is that correct Joe? 

Joe Barnes: Absolutely, and you make a good point Dave because Jesus was a rebel and he was a [01:01:00] leader he was a leader of men, but he was a rebel because he and this is my whole theory in the book is There are three different types of people, leaders, followers, rebels, and an ecosystem that humanity is involved in.

So, leaders implement the status quo, followers go along with the status quo, you know, they carry it out. Therefore, it falls on the rebels shoulders to challenge the status quo, create a new paradigm shift. And then the leaders end up ruling over it again, and the followers end up following it. And then the new rebels come along a hundred years from then, and they have to challenge it all over again.

Now, Jesus was a rebel because he challenged the spiritual paradigm at the time. You know, in the Roman times, Greek times, you had 10, 20 different gods, you know, they prayed to Jupiter, Venus or Zeus and [01:02:00] Mars, et cetera. He came along and said, no, there's only one true God. So he was rebelling against the current spiritual landscape at the time.

Now he was a successful rebel. Ultimately, he did change the status quo and the paradigm shift changed. And then after that. Christianity in most, well, some parts of the world became the status quo. So that what you're saying very much fits into the, to the model that I talk about, that, um, you know, it takes.

Rebels in different spheres in the spiritual world in the innovation in the manufacturing world in the world of civil rights and politics to come along and shake up the system because it needs it every now and again. It doesn't need total chaos. This can't be happening all of the time, but every now and again it needs it.

I just feel that now the 2020s is a point of time where we really do need it [01:03:00] because, uh, Because, you know, as we talked about a little earlier with COVID and certain other situations as well, and I don't know, as I said, I don't think that, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm a Trump supporter or a Trump hater. I am, screw that, he's 

David Pasqualone: fantastic.

I don't care if you don't like his personality, but look at what he's voting for and doing. What I 

Joe Barnes: am interested in is he seems to be creating this paradigm shift, maybe, so I'm interested to see how it plays out. I'm not going to, I'm going to reserve judgment. I'm not going to say one thing or the other.

I'm. especially quite relieved about his stance with the Ukraine war. Um, and I'm just interested to see how it all develops. So maybe, I don't know, maybe we are create, we are coming into times where a paradigm shift is going to occur soon. 

David Pasqualone: Yeah, no, I mean, my personal thing is if you take out personality [01:04:00] and you put on paper, like, you know, I'm, you're from great brand and I'm and I believe Well, I believe the Bible, but within America, we have the constitution and I think we're a republic.

So if I was to vote. And then I look for what Trump is voting for. It's the same. And again, like you said earlier, we don't have to agree on everything, but we've got to go back to the core foundation for us in America, the constitution, my main concern with Trump is just, you know, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts.

Absolutely. So even Trump, even though I'm a Trump supporter and everything that. Rfk jr and um, elon musk and that whole team, you know, the borders are Tom hollman all those guys are fantastic But they need to be held to the same standards and the checks and balances of our constitution to keep everything smooth For generations to come I just don't want to go from one crazy nutjob biden [01:05:00] harris regime Where they're freaking destroying america Every way, every way, and then go to another, you know, I don't care if you're Democrat or Republican, I'm an American.

So that to me is the main thing. It doesn't matter who's in power, they need to have checks and balances. And that's why it's like when you're talking about politics, man, if you don't agree with me, that's fine. But Trump, I think, is a great model because so many people hate that guy. But if they were to vote and they actually pull their head out of their butt, they'd be voting for the same things.

Joe Barnes: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, uh, I, I'm, I just, I don't like the vilification of people for, for really no reason, um, the, the hatred I, that he gets, I think it's just way over the top too. I'm not saying he's the best president ever, but he's certainly no worse than any other president. Probably better. Certainly.

[01:06:00] Yeah, 

David Pasqualone: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. I'm really passionate about this stuff, but like, you could be honest, Biden couldn't get a job as a greeter at Walmart and they made him president United States. So that's just, you have to ask who's running the show. We talk about questioning, you know, there's a puppet master and I know it's Satan in that realm But the next direct line after biden who's really pulling and calling the shots for the last four years, you know, it's sick That guy was a terrorist to America.

He destroyed our economy. He destroyed our border. And, and, Katelyn Harris just supported everything. And then she's not even voted for her own people to run for President of the United States. The whole thing was, I mean, it was sick. I'm, I, I, like, I'm ashamed that our country got to that crappy level. But I'm glad we got Trump now in this admini, this team in the White House.

So, but back to something positive, [01:07:00] because politics is hot right now in America, um, between your birth and today or any final words, Joe, you want to leave with our audience to help encourage them to say, Hey, you know, if you're struggling in life to find where you fit in and to win, you know, start here, or if they want to continue the conversation with you, what's your website, what's the best way to reach you.

Joe Barnes: Right, so my website is www. EscapeTheSystemNow, so you're going to get some interesting content there, lots of blog posts. Um, then obviously the book, uh, just go onto Amazon, search, uh, The Rebel Code. Maybe I can give you a link, Dave, I can send that through to you. I don't know how soon this airs, but I could also do a special.

Discount for your listeners. So I'll reduce the kindle version the electronic version I'll reduce it to a dollar for a few days after this episode airs So so grab your grab your copy if you want that I can't do that with the paper book paperback Because there's obviously [01:08:00] print costs involved, but I can with the electronic version.

So that's my gift to your listeners Yeah, we'll put that 

David Pasqualone: link in the show notes and on the website Will there be a promo code to use, like Remarkable, or do they just use 

Joe Barnes: the link? It's just, I, I got control over the price, so I'll just knock it down for a few days and, um, and then I have to put it back up.

I can't leave it down too long, but I will do that to make sure anyone who's listening to this, uh, you know, when it goes live, that they can click that link. And if they want to read further, there, there'll be no, uh, financial obstacle to doing that. 

David Pasqualone: Excellent. And the best way to reach you is through your website?

Joe Barnes: From my website or get me on Instagram at escape the system 19. Um, yeah, one of those two methods. I've got a contact form on my, on my website as well. And just that goes through to my email so I can respond to anything there. 

David Pasqualone: All right. And escape the system 19 at something [01:09:00] or. No, no, no. That's my Instagram.

Oh, got you. Escape the system. 19. Got you. Okay. Okay. 

Joe Barnes: Website is just escape the system now. com. 

David Pasqualone: Okay. Excellent. Excellent. And then that's it, man. It's been great getting to know you today, Joe and hanging out. Any other final thoughts or do you want to leave our listeners listeners with before we wrap it up for today?

Joe Barnes: No, I think we've covered pretty much everything. I think I want to try to I've been a little bit critical, so I almost want to be positive, finish, find some positive to tie it all up. But I do feel that by questioning things, you're going to have a richer, deeper, more meaningful life, and that is a huge payoff.

You're not just going to have a surface level experience. You're not going to wake up at 60 or 70 years old and think, Oh, where did my life go? You know, I just, I just went with the flow the entire time. I don't really even know who I am. As a [01:10:00] 70 year old, if you do, if you follow the advice I suggest or you read the books or you, you ask your own questions, find your own answers, you're going to have a deeper, uh, more meaningful life and you can be proud of yourself and that, that counts for a lot.

David Pasqualone: Yeah, 100%. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks for being with us today. Joe, thank you for being with us today. 

Joe Barnes: Well, it's a pleasure, Dave. Thanks so much for having me on your show. 

David Pasqualone: Oh, it's an honor. And our friends listening, just like our slogan says, listen, do, repeat for life. Don't just listen to the great information and advice Joe gave you, but do it.

Repeat the good parts each day that you know you need to so you can have a great life in this world. But more importantly an attorney to come. If you have any questions, reach out to Joe or myself. We'll help you in any way we can. Take Joe up on that free offer of his book. [01:11:00] And then also share this with your friends and family members.

It can help encourage, especially those who you know. There's just a hero inside that God put this giant inside of them, but they're just afraid to just be who God made them to be. Let them know it's okay to question the, the status quo and the narrative the world's given us and be who God really intended them to be.

So that's it. I'm David Pascualone. Again, Joe, thanks for being here today, brother. 

Joe Barnes: Thanks again. 

David Pasqualone: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we will see you in the next episode.

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