Lisa DeFrank-Cole | The Power of Delayed Gratification, Building on Past Successes, & Working the Plan

“You can't be, what you can't see." ~ Lisa DeFrank-Cole

Guest Bio: Dr. Lisa DeFrank-Cole is an author, educator, and public speaker with more than 20 years of experience working in universities and in state government. Lisa works with individuals and groups to support their leadership learning and development through her writing, speaking, and coaching. An advocate for women’s advancement, she has spoken at international events and was a Fulbright Specialist Scholar at a women’s university in the Kingdom of Bahrain. As a professor at West Virginia University (WVU), Lisa has taught courses and conducted research on various facets of leadership, specifically women and leadership. Previously she served as the Executive Director of the West Virginia PROMISE Scholarship and worked as assistant to West Virginia Governor Bob Wise. She co-authored Women and Leadership: Journey Toward Equity (2022), an award-winning textbook with Dr. Sherylle Tan, and their most recent edited book, A Research Agenda for Gender and Leadership, was published in 2023.

SHOW NOTES: 

• Website: http://lisadefrankcole.com/
• LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-defrank-cole-7b32286b

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CORE THEMES, KEYWORDS, & MENTIONS:

• delayed gratification, coal mining community, perseverance, hope, poverty, running, runner, struggle, pressing on, weighing the options, higher education administration, higher education leadership, Abraham Lincoln

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Transcript

Lisa DeFrank-Cole | The Power of Delayed Gratification, Building on Past Successes, & Working the Plan | 29 July 2024

Welcome to the Remarkable People Podcast! Listen. Do. Repeat. For Life!

David Pasqualone: Hello friend, welcome to this week's episode of the Remarkable People Podcast, the Lisa DeFrank Cole story. This week you're going to get encouragement from Lisa when she grew up in Appalachia. She went from poverty to being a professor at a university. Now all over the world, Poverty. Different words have different connotations.

They have different levels. But within America, Appalachian poor is pretty poor. And she talks about how she persevered. She talks about how she used past successes to build on the future. She talks about delayed gratification. And she talks about leadership. And moving forward, not just with her own life, but how she is speaking now and working towards helping other, specifically women, grow and flourish.

So this episode is entertaining, encouraging, and as Lisa's talking about perseverance and staying the course even with difficulties, we're Internet drops out. So what she do? She jumps back on her phone and we reconnect through the internet via Verizon or whatever service carrier she uses. So she practices what she preaches.

This is a great episode. It's shorter than most. It's encouraging. Some great quotes in it. And from there, hopefully you can take it and like our slogan says, not just listen to great content, But do it. Repeat that good each day so you can have a great life in this world and an eternity to come.

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[00:03:10] David Pasqualone: Hey Lisa, how are you today? 

[00:03:14] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Dave, I'm doing well.

How are you? 

[00:03:16] David Pasqualone: Oh, I'm fantastic. Remarkable, even. I am so happy to be here with you. I just told our listeners in the intro A small bit of what to expect in today's episode, but when you're here, we're going to share your life and a bunch of truths that you've learned along the way, things that you've applied to your life to help you become a better person and have more fulfillment and joy.

But if you were to guarantee somebody listening right now that if you stick with your episode the entire half an hour, hour, hour and a half, whatever it is, what do you guarantee they're going to walk away with? They can start applying to their life today and have, you know, a more victorious life. 

[00:03:56] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: I would say it's the benefits of delayed gratification.

I'll give you a lot of examples how I've experienced that in my own life. Um, and I hope that it can be applied to, to the listeners in your audience. 

[00:04:10] David Pasqualone: Nice. Yeah. Delayed gratification in our society is, is a foreign thought, right? 

[00:04:17] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Yeah. In terms of iPhones, iPads and me, everything. Yeah, it is. Yeah. 

[00:04:22] David Pasqualone: So let's do this.

Let's do something a little different. We're going to jump into your story, but let's give somebody a baseline. How would you dictionary, you know, Miriam Webster one on one definition of delayed gratification? How would you define that, Lisa? 

[00:04:35] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: In my own words, I would say it's being willing to put off the benefits of what you think you're going to get until a later time.

And in my life, uh, I'll give examples of how it took me, for example, six years to attain my bachelor's degree. Um, but in the end that it certainly pays off and has paid off now as, as a professor. So it's being willing, [00:05:00] as I said, to just put off that ultimate benefit that you think you're going to get.

[00:05:04] David Pasqualone: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. You reap what you sow. Work now, play later. However we phrase it, that delayed gratification is important. Self control. So let's do this. Something happened in your life or many things happened in your life to get you to this point. Where Delayed Gratification is so important that you're actually taking time out of your life to share with people on podcasts.

Where were you born? What was your upbringing life? What things happened? Good? Bad? Ugly? Pretty? Pretty ugly? What made you the woman you are today? 

[00:05:34] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Wow, there's a lot there, and thanks for asking the question. I, um, grew up in Appalachia, uh, southwestern Pennsylvania. To be exact, I currently live in, in West Virginia.

Um, And I would say that I grew up in a poor family. So I'm a first generation low income college graduate. What that means is neither of my parents had gone to college by the time I had started college. And that's being a first generation college grad. The low income part I think is, is pretty self explanatory.

So I think, you know, um, that was the first piece that was hard and wondering. What a life might be like beyond, um, those parameters, what it might be like to have an education and to, to make more money than my parents did. Um, and also, uh, growing up in a coal mining community in Southwestern Pennsylvania, we called it a patch, um, or a community that was owned by the coal mine where there were mining operations literally about The length of a football field away from my backyard.

So I think, um, you can't be what you can't see. And I did, I had a very limited view of the world. And so being the youngest in my family, there were four other, there's four kids in my family, and I'm the youngest, seeing my siblings. and, and go on to college. And then it was my turn. And again, as I mentioned earlier, it took me six years to To get my undergraduate degree, um, but realizing that I loved higher education and if I could just persevere and keep my foot on the gas that maybe just maybe there would be light at the end of the tunnel.

And after getting a doctorate degree, um, I would say that that light is beaming bright at this point, because I'm a professor of leadership. at West Virginia University and hoping, um, to spread more information about women in leadership more broadly through the research that I've done and the writing, um, that I've done.

So, so yeah, so in a nutshell, those were some of the highlights, some of the parts that were hard, um, that required some delayed gratification. 

[00:07:54] David Pasqualone: Okay. And then you had a mom and dad, you said growing up, right? 

[00:07:57] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Yes. In the home. 

[00:07:59] David Pasqualone: Was there, how many brothers and sisters did you have? 

[00:08:02] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: I have two brothers and one sister, all older than me.

[00:08:05] David Pasqualone: Okay. And then when you're growing up. The mindset you're getting is delayed self gratification and perseverance and working towards what you want. And that's seriously the opposite of what our own government's trying to teach us, what our, the world is trying to teach us. So when you were growing up, was that a mentality that was common and supported, or was this something unique to you more and you, you were, were you encouraged or discouraged to have this opinion?

[00:08:35] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: I think all of us had it, even my parents, because it wasn't something that was said as much as it was lived. We recognized that my parents didn't have the funds to kind of go buy us something immediately. Or if you got a hole in your pants, you weren't going to get a new pair. Um, so you had to be very careful about whatever it was that you had.

Um, any of the items that you might've purchased that it had to last. And my father never had a credit card. He's deceased now. He would've been in his 90s. But he believed in paying cash for things, which took a heck of a long time to save up. To buy a car, for example, or a truck. And, um, so it was, if you just keep saving and keep your eye on the ultimate goal, eventually you'll get there.

Um, and for us, we were fortunate enough, you know, we didn't have major, you know, Illnesses or things that could cause somebody a catastrophic life event. You know, so, um, the plan worked, you know, cutting coupons and saving money. And, you know, my dad was able to buy, you know, a vehicle or just, you know, keep studying in school and eventually you might get accepted to college.

You might get to go. And, and so that's why I say there wasn't a message that they said explicitly with [00:10:00] words, but with deeds. 

[00:10:02] David Pasqualone: Yeah, and that's more important, actions speak louder than words, right? 

[00:10:05] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: I, I think so, yeah. 

[00:10:07] David Pasqualone: The Bible says the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury. Means talk's cheap, you gotta do what you say.

So, uh, okay, so now, what about your community? Was that the mentality, or were you guys kind of the exception? 

[00:10:20] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Yeah, again, my family, I had other family members living in this coal mining community, and I think they did things similarly, but that wasn't true of, of everyone, of course. And, and yeah, you know, seeing other kids get a swimming pool, for example, In their backyard, you know, one of those little three foot kind of jobs, a little tiny swimming pool or something.

It was kind of like, wow, you know, I really would have loved to have a swimming pool, but you know, it wasn't a part of the plan. So it's like, well, you're not gonna get a swimming pool, but you might get a couple new outfits for school in the fall of the year. Um, and so, yeah, it was, it was pretty tough. So yeah, I think our family was unique in that regard and trying to think for the longterm.

[00:11:10] David Pasqualone: Nice. And then so you go through school, high school, you get out. Did you end up going to college immediately after? Did you, you said it took you six years, but what was the timeline like there? 

[00:11:21] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Yeah, I was fortunate. Um, I did get to go straight away. Um, right after I graduated high school, I went to West Virginia University, which was only about 45 minutes from where I grew up in Pennsylvania.

And my sister went there. I. Only applied to one school, West Virginia University, and it's because my sister was there. Again, I didn't have that luxury. Uh, I mean, it costs money to apply to colleges and universities, and it just seemed like, well, I didn't know much about them, but surely there'd be something.

I could find a WVU to study. And, and so, yeah, I, I did. I went and I lived on campus and. Um, changed my major. I thought I was going to be an engineer until I took the math placement test. And they said, no, I don't think you have the math background to be an engineer. So I took some general ed classes and then found landscape architecture.

And again, after my junior year in landscape architecture, I got a D in one of my classes and I couldn't repeat that class until the following year. It was only offered once a year. So that set me back yet again. And so I just could have quit at any time and said, what am I doing here? I'm not college material, which those thoughts did go through my head, but ultimately it's like, just keep going, just keep going.

And after six years, I, I finished my. and realized that I liked higher ed so much that I wanted to stay in some capacity and then switched, um, kind of fields left landscape architecture behind and moved into, um, higher education leadership or higher education administration as a field. 

[00:13:05] David Pasqualone: Okay. And so if someone leaves.

Primary school or high school or wherever they are in the world, whatever they call it, and they go to university or they go to college or they go to the career path. Perseverance is something that it's the core of who we are. It's the character, it's the integrity, it's the doesn't matter what people say, it doesn't matter what's going on, this is the goal, this is the vision, this is where I'm heading.

And then sticking to it, Reverse engineering the plan and making it happen, right? So looking back now, what are the things that allowed you to be successful and not quit during that time period? 

[00:13:48] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: I think hope, um, you know, they say hope springs eternal, um, faith, hope, and love, you know, kind of abide. And I think that idea of, of hope, um, was promised for the future.

And my father would routinely say, plan your work and work your plan. It's a very simple kind of saying. And, and what he meant by that was, you know, do things in small pieces, one at a time. And you'll eventually get there. So, yeah, I, I guess it was just. Hope above hope that it, that it would work out. And I guess as you see small things work out, then you look back and say, you know, when I did that other thing or I ran away.

So again, I wasn't, because we were poor, I wasn't allowed to be in school activities. You know, kids are in the band or basketball or whatever they might choose as a sport or activity. And I didn't do any of that. I wasn't allowed, we didn't have money to buy the uniforms or what have you. And so I would run.

I lived in a rural area and I would just put on a pair of sneakers and run. [00:15:00] And so that became the thing that I did. And I would run community races. I'm sure every community has a, you know, fundraiser or race or run, you know, in their area. And so there was one called the Mount Summit Challenge and it literally was running up the side of a mountain.

Uh, in, outside of Uniontown and, and I registered for that and, and I won in my age group, um, that race and I wasn't on the track team. We didn't have one. I wasn't on cross country team. We didn't have one of those either. Um, but it's just, I would run on my own and trained and that's how I got better. And so.

I think looking at that little, that event and saying, well, wait a minute, you know, if you stick with something, you know, the results can pay off. So using those past examples to hopefully get to future performance was the hope that I needed to push on. 

[00:15:57] David Pasqualone: So you built off the fundamentals, you built off the victories you've seen, the landmarks, you built off that success.

That's smart. 

[00:16:06] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: That's, that's right. And I think all of us could do that as we look at our lives. And David, I'm sure you could too, you know, thinking how many podcasts have you done, you know, before you did your first one, you know, what did you do before that you've succeeded at? And that you knew that this was going to be a success if you put your mind to it.

And so I think that's something that we can all do is look at those past successes in our lives and remember that we'll, we'll move ahead. And because we have been successful in the past. 

[00:16:36] David Pasqualone: Yeah, passive victories. So the people out there who are like, man, I really want to do this, but it hasn't been going well.

Like you want to get a college degree. It didn't go well. You know, your engineering test said you couldn't do it. Doesn't mean you can't, but the test said at that point you weren't ready. Then you go into landscape architecture and design. 

[00:16:58] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: That 

[00:16:59] David Pasqualone: wasn't going well. No. No. So what do you recommend to the people listening now?

There's a fork in the road in your life at that point, and our lives every day. There's forks in the road. What's the fork difference? How do you discern or how did you discern between endure or hey, let's change course and try a different major or different career path? 

[00:17:26] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: I think it's looking at the ramifications of What if I didn't press on and get my degree?

What were my options going to be? And my options at that point were perhaps having a pretty hefty student loan debt without a degree, maybe? Which meant that I would have to work at a job that was perhaps more low paying than one that required a bachelor's degree. Um, moving back home into that coal mining community.

Um, I, I love my, I love my home. My mother still lives there and I go back every week and visit my mom. So it's not that I don't love where I came from, but I kind of wanted something more. And so I looked, I weighed those options. Do I want to move back home, um, and possibly work at a job that I wouldn't provide me kind of that future that I hope for, or stick it out, even if it took me more time to get there.

And, you know, poverty is a powerful motivator for me. And so. And, and literally it was, you know, poverty really motivates me and still does, um, the, the fear of like, wow, could I continue on, um, and have that hope for, for a brighter future. So, yeah, those were some of the forks in the road for me. 

[00:18:58] David Pasqualone: Nice, nice.

Okay. So now you go to college, takes you a little bit extra time to get the degree. Where does your life go from there, Lisa? 

[00:19:07] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Well, I, um, decided that I wasn't going to be a landscape architect. So again, uh, delayed gratification. Well, I could stay on and get a master's degree in this thing called higher education leadership or higher education administration.

What I found in those six years of being on campus and, and working always had a job on campus and side jobs as well. But what I recognized is if I. Wanted to work in a higher education environment. I needed at least a master's degree. And so I stayed on at West Virginia University and got my master's degree.

Um, and at that time was all, I had also met the man who would become my husband and he was going off to, um, Ohio State for his master's. And so we [00:20:00] were separated, you know, during that time. Distance wise, but yeah, it was, um, just going off our master's and then we ended up at Michigan, uh, for his PhD. And after a couple of years of me working at the University of Michigan, I realized that I could maybe do a doctoral degree.

And again, building on those past successes, I made it through an undergrad degree. I got a master's. And, you know, I ran some races along the way and was able to finish those. And I thought I'll probably be able to finish. And so I enrolled, um, a couple of years after my masters degree into a doctoral program at the University of Pittsburgh.

And was able to finish in 2003. So, so yeah, it was like, I thought higher ed was kind of the field I wanted to be in and had to get, um, more education in order to be able to work in, in a higher ed institution. So, so yeah, that's what I did. Again, delayed gratification to eventually end up becoming a professor.

[00:21:06] David Pasqualone: Yeah, it was, you had the vision, you know, you reverse engineered the plan, this is what I need to do to get there, and then you worked it, but you didn't quit when adversity struck, and ladies and gentlemen, if you don't, you know, connect in some ways, or maybe you're like, I know exactly what Lisa's talking about, we're from different cultures, we're from different backgrounds, we're from different literal countries, um, but nothing that Lisa's saying isn't universal.

If building on your past successes, that's a biblical principle. That's a common sense principle. Even if you're listening out, you don't believe in God yet. Um, when you look at back at the things you have achieved, it gives you the encouragement to know you can do the next one. And I, when you were talking, Lisa, I started chuckling at one point because I thought if it was easy, everybody would do it.

Right? If it was easy, everybody would do it. So that's the difference is are you like everybody or are you going to be the best you can be, which is probably better than most people, you know, not that you're better, I'm better, but we've accomplished and achieved something greater. And because we put the effort in, we reap what we sow.

So to the people right now that are listening to you, you know, you have a expertise in leadership. For the people who have great value, but they don't see it in themselves. They don't see the victories because it's so easy they take it for granted. I mean, how many of us do something and it's like, Oh, it's not a big deal.

And people are like, Whoa, that was awesome. Right. Or people are like, Oh, that was nothing. You're like, I put a lot of work into that. So we have to be alone with God and have that hope that you spoke about. But for the people listening who have a goal, but maybe don't have a lot of encouragement and support around them, Lisa, what advice do you have for them to move forward in their life and achieve based on their past victories?

[00:23:07] David Pasqualone: Ladies and gentlemen, we had a small technical glitch. Lisa and I discussed if we should just, you know, cut and paste. You never would have known the difference after post edit. However, we're talking about perseverance, right? We're talking about sticking to it. So did Lisa say, you know, she's a leadership expert when the, when the internet dropped?

Did she quit? No, did she say let's postpone this? No, we got it worked out and now we're back. So Lisa, thank you for practicing what you preach. 

[00:23:38] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Oh my gosh, David, that was, that was a crazy time. And my neighbor just said, is your internet out? She sent me a text message. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm in the middle of a podcast.

You're not going to believe this. So, 

[00:23:49] David Pasqualone: so 

[00:23:49] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: evidently it's not just me, but it's on my street that the internet went down. 

[00:23:54] David Pasqualone: All right, well, let's go quick because we don't want to rely on anybody but God. So, we are gonna go back to the question. Right now, you have people all over the world, 130 plus countries, all different cultures, all different demographics, men, women, ladies, gentlemen, right?

What? Advice do you have for them to look back in their lives, look for those successes, whether they feel they're small or huge, what's the process that you can walk them through to harness the power of past victories for future success? 

[00:24:31] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Look for those small successes, and we all have them. Sometimes our minds will take us down a rabbit hole and tell us we're not worth it, or we're not valuable enough, or we're imposters, or we can pick any number of words that to describe that feeling of inadequacy, but there are still some small victories.

Claim those victories. And then success begets success. Keep building [00:25:00] on those small victories. And before you know it, those smaller victories end up being middle sized victories. And then they're really large victories. And I can say, um, I wrote a textbook, uh, with a co author from California. She and I wrote one of the first textbooks on women in leadership.

And it just is astounding to me because People like me, first generation, low income college graduates from Appalachia, who grew up next to a coal mine, don't usually write textbooks that are used in college, so I feel like as I look back on those successes, those smaller victories, it allowed me to be able to have the Wherewithal to actually do a big project, like write a textbook and same thing with running.

I, you know, uh, those smaller 5k races turned into a marathon and, you know, I've run a marathon. And so again, it's building on those smaller successes one at a time. 

[00:26:03] David Pasqualone: Beautiful. And then today, where are you at today, Lisa, and where are you heading next? So you just helped our listeners. If they wanted to get in touch with you, continue the conversation, learn more.

What's the best way to reach you? Where are you at today? And where are you headed next? 

[00:26:19] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Well, thanks. It's, uh, LisaDFrankCole. com is my, my web address. And I am currently a professor of leadership at West Virginia university. It's a research one land grant institution. And I enjoy giving back to people, to the institution that gave me so much, gave me my start in Appalachia.

And I. Hope to continue the conversation with audiences outside of academe. You know, students kind of just show up to the classroom right now and I don't have to do much to promote or do PR, but I think to kind of get this voice or this, the knowledge about particularly women in leadership, which is my research area to a broader audience, I need to do stuff like this.

Um, do a podcast, reach a different type of audience, um, because I've seen a gap in the mainstream media and literature where there's just not enough, um, scholars of women's leadership actually speaking about the subject. I want to bring attention, uh, to that, to women in leadership. And so I would love to speak at, uh, corporate, uh, events, leadership conferences and retreats, other things like that, where I can share research based knowledge about women in leadership in, I hope, an approachable manner, um, for audiences outside of academe.

That's where I hope to go. 

[00:27:48] David Pasqualone: Beautiful, beautiful. So, ladies and gentlemen, we'll put a link in the show notes. And like Lisa said, her passion is with women in leadership, but the same fundamentals that work for women work for men and vice versa. So, if you're looking at your life and you're looking at the goal you have, you don't quit.

You keep work, like her dad, I love that. I use that all the time. Plan the work, work the plan. Right? You have the goal, you reverse engineer the plan, you commit to it, you make adjustments along the way, but most of it's just determination, grit, and hard work, right? Lisa, am I wrong? You're the expert on leadership there.

[00:28:22] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: It does take a lot. Now, I will say sometimes things happen to people that it's hard to overcome, but for most of us, yeah, it's the hard work and perseverance that pays off in the end. 

[00:28:33] David Pasqualone: Yeah. And then though on that point, the people who have the worst situations. It's true like 98 out of 100 times they quit and people understand why, but when you're that 2 percent that doesn't quit, the David Coggins of the world and, you know, men and women who just said, no, I've had enough, I'm going to keep fighting, those are the people that really changed the world.

So hopefully if you're listening, this is going to be a catalyst for you to love God more. No, he loves you and you're going to be used to change the world if you just don't quit. Literally, just don't quit. Um, did you ever read about Ben, not Ben, well, Ben Franklin, but more so Abraham Lincoln? Do you like Abraham Lincoln?

[00:29:14] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: Of course. Who doesn't like Abraham Lincoln? 

[00:29:16] David Pasqualone: Well, actually, you know what? I think he's probably the greatest president. I got Washington, Reagan, Lincoln. Um, but, you know, When I think about Lincoln, the guy failed and failed and failed and failed everything in his life. He died thinking the Gettysburg Address was his biggest failure and it's studied around the world as one of the greatest speeches of all times, right?

He wrote it on the, on the train, um, and then he died. But yet that guy was used to God because he just kept persevering and he didn't have a lot of support, especially within the home. So, so that is a great, to me, illustration of a human such as yourself [00:30:00] that you just keep pushing forward. You just keep pushing forward and you're making good decisions along the way.

So I guess with that said, again, I'm being a little, uh, I'm kind of moving things along faster just cause I'm afraid the internet's going to cut, but any final thoughts, anything you want to share about your life or any encouraging words to our listeners before we end the episode for today? 

[00:30:20] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: I would say that I'm a fan of Abraham Lincoln too, because it was under his leadership that the Morrill Act was passed and that established the land grant university, uh, land grant colleges and universities act that allows us to have a land grant college at every.

state in the country and I work at one. So I'm a big fan of Abraham Lincoln as well for, for, for that policy and certainly many others. So thank you for the opportunity to share with your guests today, a little hopeful inspiration story about a woman from Appalachia. 

[00:30:54] David Pasqualone: Yeah, and I'm, I'm thankful to have you here today, Lisa.

And ladies and gentlemen, like Lisa said, like our slogan says, moreover, like God says, whether you believe the Bible or not, read it. You'll never find a flaw. It's all accurate. It's lines up with the greatest business people in the world because they're really stealing the concepts from the Bible. But don't just listen to great content.

Do it. Do what you heard Lisa say that's good for you. Repeat it each day. Be consistent, so you can have a great life in this world, but more importantly, in eternity to come. So, I'm David Pasqualone. This is our Remarkable Friend, Lisa DeFrank Cole. Lisa, thank you again for being here today. 

[00:31:34] Lisa DeFrank-Cole: My pleasure.

Thanks, David. 

[00:31:35] David Pasqualone: Awesome. Ladies and gentlemen, check us out in another episode. Share this with your family and friends. Like us, rate us. You know what to do. You help us. It encourages us. It keeps us on the air. But another great thing is don't forget to shop our sponsors like MyPillow. com. MyPillow. com, use promo code Remarkable.

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