Chris Donaldson | A Journey to the Wrong Continent, Being Self Reliance, & Finishing What We Start

“The reason you make the journey, is for the journey- not the destination” - Chris Donaldson

EPISODE OVERVIEW:
Have you heard the one about the young man from Belfast, Ireland who grew up during war-torn times, learned to be self-reliant, and motivated himself past it all. You know, the one where he didn't quit on his dreams, but started on his journey, and made sure he finished it even though it took him 43 years. Even with Parkinson's today, our guest talks about just doing "it", and finishing what we start in life; whatever that "it" is.  He's an adventure, businessman, entrepreneur, motorcycle enthusiast, and world traveler. Ladies & Gentlemen, welcome to the Chris Donaldson story!

GUEST BIO: 

From Belfast, Ireland, Best-Selling Author of Going the Wrong Way, Chris Donaldson. When he left Belfast in 1979, his original plan was to ride to Australia, but never made it. Ending up in Argentina nearly 2 years later, he rode across the Sahara desert, travelled through Africa to Cape Town, where he hitched a ride on a yacht race back to Europe. Then he went to the USA and rode from Canada south through Central America and South America to Buenos Aires. All of this and more is in his Amazon best-selling book 'Going the Wrong Way.' Chris decided to finally complete the journey 42 years after his return from South America to take the same Moto Guzzi to Australia.

SHOW NOTES:

Guest Contact Info:

• Website: https://chrisdonaldson.world
• Facebook: @goingthewrongway.book
• Instagram: @goingthewrongway_book

CORE THEMES, KEYWORDS, & MENTIONS:

• Belfast, civil war, Northern Ireland, South Africa, apartheid, self reliant, coming of age, retirement age, Parkinson's disease, motorcycles, cross country trip, international travel, risk adverse

Transcript

Chris Donaldson | A Journey to the Wrong Continent, Being Self Reliance, & Finishing What We Start

Alone in a foreign country, very ill broken down vehicle. A 43 year motorcycle journey, Parkinson's disease, and more. All this in this episode of the podcast right now.

Hello, my Remarkable friend. I'm David Pasqualone, and thank you for joining us for this episode of the Remarkable People Podcast. This episode's slightly different than our normal show. As you notice, it's more [00:01:00] condensed and it briefly touches points in the guest life. It's the end of season seven, the last episode of season seven.

Can you believe this? Three years, seven seasons we've been together? Whether this is your first episode, whether you've serial, binge watched the show and listened, or whether you've been with us since week one, day one. Thank you. We love you. Our whole purpose of this podcast is to glorify God, to help you grow, to sharpen one another and become better humans.

So our slogan says, Listen., Do. Repeat. For Life!, we mean it. In this episode, our guest today is going to talk about how he went through a journey. To go continental to continent to continent on his motorcycle and how he goes the wrong direction. And you'll see what that means. He's going to talk about how he was stuck in third world countries during civil [00:02:00] unrest and war.

And how he was alone and learned to be self-reliant and how to motivate himself and to move through it, and how he didn't finish a journey 43 years ago. Yet even with Parkinson's today, he talks about just doing it and finish wanting what we start. So we hope in this episode in. All the other 150 plus episodes of our podcast to date, you get huge value that you cannot just hear what our guests were able to overcome and achieve in life.

But take the practical steps that they break down of how they did it. So you and I can too Run with it, share it with your friends and family. Let us know how it's impacted your life in a positive way. And if we can help you. So at this time, today's guest is an adventure, a businessman, an entrepreneur, a motorcycle enthusiast, a world traveler.

And as you [00:03:00] can see, he's going to talk to us about just doing it, so to speak, right? Art Williams, just do it. Some people think it's Nike, but it was Art Williams. So at this time, please enjoy our friend Chris Donaldson.

Chris Donaldson | A Journey to the Wrong Continent, Being Self Reliance, & Finishing What We Start: Hey Chris, how are you today, brother? I'm great, David. How are you man? I'm fantastic. Today it's Memorial Day in the state.

And where are you coming to us from? I'm ringing from Belfast, Northern Ireland. Nice. Nice. So you and I had the pleasure to meet probably a few months ago now, and talk on the phone. And today we're finally getting to record your episode. I just told our listeners in the introduction a little bit about you and your story, and they are pumped, but as they're listening to your story, You know, we have some listeners who are first time, we have some listeners who've been with us for three years and 150 plus episodes.

But if they were going to get one thought, one [00:04:00] truth, one actionable step from this episode, what is it that you want them to walk away with today? I guess the belief that if they want to do something, they can do it. They go and do it. Don't worry about, And the whys and the Air Force just go and do it.

Stop talking about it. Just go and do it. Talks cheap. Right? All right. Yeah. Well, that's, that's a great lesson that most of us need. So let's talk about this. We go through our, our guest life chronologically. It's called the Remarkable People Podcast, and we discuss what's Remarkable about their lives. So you don't have to bring in every detail, but starting where were you born?

What was your home like? Life, brothers, sisters, cousins, you know, mom and dad in the home, adopted orphanage, whatever it is. Where did your life start, Chris? Well, basically started 65 years ago. I'm now officially a pensioner, I think. Born a seven fifty eight. So fifties child born in Belfast, Northern [00:05:00] Ireland.

Things were pretty uneventful in the family with some middle class family. 4, 4, 4 of us, four kids. But Belfast was a pretty peculiar place in those days certainly in the seventies and eighties and the sixties. Troubles kicked off the end of the sixties. So basically it's all we knew when we were kids is bombs going off, bullets flying and security forces running around the place.

And while it never got, it was never affected terribly much when that fact we were living a relatively nice part of Belfast. There was really, obviously it, there was a civil war going on of sorts. We could, we could see bombs going off outside the school windows. The parents' shop got, the furniture shop got blown up more times than I can remember.

So it wasn't too long before it was in teenage years. I thought, there must be places in the world that you don't have to put up with this sort of nonsense. Now, did you feel like it was [00:06:00] safe because you were so used to it, or were you under constant fear? No, we felt they were safe enough because I think safety, a lot of safety, fear is a, it's a, a relative feeling, I guess.

I mean, there's certainly times that you were under, under stress. Under fear. If there's, you could call out in a, in a situation you weren't happy with the wrong side of town or whatever. But it certainly told me How to look after myself, how to get out of situations that you maybe one didn't want to be in more than the average Joe, probably, you know, but certainly I got to the age of 16, all I wanted to, to get out of Northern Ireland, see the rest of the world.

And I thought Australia was the best place to go to because I was a keen motorcyclist and I didn't want to This fly out there, I wanted to take ride a motorbike to Australia, from the uk, from Belfast. I [00:07:00] don't think, I probably didn't realize it at the time, but I, I wanted to challenge myself. I wanted to, you know, when you're growing up, you're under influence of your parents and then your school and your friends and your family and your basically society that you're growing up in.

I wanted to get away from that and travel on my own and challenge myself. I didn't do that at the time. At the time, I just thought I wanted to ride on a motorbike, but thinking back now, I, I sort of realized that that was what I wanted to do, wanted to, to fish myself as well as to skip to Australia.

So I left home in 70, 79, October 79. I got the London, got the visas and my guidebook and my maps and I so on for writing across Asia. And then Took over the American Embassy in Tiran and the Islamic Revolution kicked off and basically amongst other things, stopped my plans to ride east. And [00:08:00] left me in London thinking, well, I can't go home.

I've told 'em my France won't be back for a year and I can't come back next week. And too embarrassing to be hold. So decided to go to South Africa just for the sake of getting away. Of course, the problem was that, was that I didn't have a clue. About anything in Africa. I'd been studying the, the, the road east for the last couple of years.

This is pre-internet, so everyone was by books, so I was already on their own. So I ended up arriving in Africa after going through Israel and Syria and Jordan, the Middle East, without a, a notion what was ahead of me. And what year was this Right now, this is now 1980. Beginning of 1980 arrived in Africa.

So even af everywhere you're going is kind of in uproar and civil war and revolution, correct? Yeah. Africa was pretty messy at that stage. We went through Sudan, across the desert, into Uganda just after, I mean, got kicked out. It was pretty hairy [00:09:00] went through Rhodesia just as it was being changed to Zimbabwe.

So it was convoy system to travel was terrorist attacks and various vehicles into there as well. South Africa was in the middle of apartheid, so it was not a great place to get out of as well. I made it down travels and tribulations, and I got a job in a yacht race. Got back to Europe, took five weeks to sail back on the, on the sail boat.

And part of the deal was we got the bike shipped to the states. So I ended up Arrived in Los Angeles, drove up to Canada, across Canada, drove south, ended up North Carolina for a few months, working to try and replenish the golfers, and went to Florida. Went past year way and decided to go to South America.

So went through Panama and eventually ended up in in Bolivia called Hepatitis and ran outta money, bought motorbikes in those last legs and managed to get a few quid to get myself home. And [00:10:00] That was that a year and a half later was back in Belfast. After ending up in Argentina, I left to go to Australia and I ended up in Argentina.

So I started writing a book. I thought nobody's ever done this before, but halfway through the book, who realized, somebody brought me a book who, some guy called Ted Salmon, who was an author and a journalist, had written book just on the trip a couple years before me. So I gave up my, the writing and got on with normal life.

Got into business. So some furniture, business, property, fitness industry was in mobile apps in Dubai recently. And then fast forward 40 years brought up a family, still got a young 15 year old daughter, but decided to finish writing this book and three years ago, launched it in Amazon. Books felt going the wrong way because obviously I went, went left to go to Australia and [00:11:00] ended up anywhere, everywhere else but Australia and at Chronicles your journeys along the way and at Chronicles a journey along the way, as you say.

Yeah, and sort of realized that stage when I was writing a book, it was interesting to sort of red my notes from that. Redman was 21 at the age of 60 odd. At the sort of end of my working life, what I realized was, The whole program, the whole journey was a sort of coming of age journey as such, because it was that sort of juncture between boyhood and manhood.

I started my working life, started family life and so on. So it was an interesting time to look back on, to reflect, and I realized it was a coming of age and I realized, started to realize how many, how a lot of the things that had happened to me on that journey had impacted me through my life and how that it helped me and how they.

My journey shaped my, my personality, in fact, and I helped me in business and, and my personal life as well, so, [00:12:00] And talk about that. How did it help you? This show is all about not just what you learned, but we break it down in the practical steps so our listeners can too, or they can at least over, you know, get a catalyst.

Yeah. In overcoming that adversity or achieving that success. So when you are taking these journeys and over 65 years of life, what are some of the lessons that you really learned from this? Well, when you're traveling on your own, you've only got yourself to get yourself into baller and yourself to get yourself outta baller again.

So you, you really become very self-reliant and you realize that there's nobody else to help. You think in the Western world, we're very much brought up to be, there's always somebody to, for health-wise, if you get sick, there's somebody to look after you. If you run outta money, that's, you can go to the bank or your parents or your friends.

It's always a backup. Whereas if you're on your own on a motorbike in the third world, especially, You only got yourself to look after yourself, so told me to be quite self reliant, I think. But [00:13:00] I mean, 10 years ago my property business collapsed. The banks off the property crash, the banks took over my business, put me into receivership, and ended up basically bankrupt.

No money and newer new job. But I was able to self litigate against the banks, take 'em to court, and get my business back again. It'd broken a lot of rules and laws and whatever. Long story short, I ended up getting my properties back at remember halfway through the process of trying to learn from being a businessman to being a lawyer, standing up in court in front of these high barristers and lawyers to argue your case.

I realize it's sort of driving across a desert is it's, it seems like an in un insurmountable problem that you've got to achieve, but I realize that crossing a desert, you just have to do it bit by bit and day by day and R by R. And if you do that, [00:14:00] you'll get what you want as you keep going if you've got the, the stamina and the motivation to, to keep going.

So I was able to, to bring. Know, 40 years before that, it took me a week to cross a desert of sort of 400 miles driving every day. Some days would cover 10 miles, some days would cover a hundred miles. But you know, I realized that self-motivation and the self belief that you can get there. In the end, there's a very strong lesson to learn.

I've been able to use that in my life. So how do you, I'm sorry. There's a delay in our connection. I apologize. Yes. Either that I'm just a stubborn gift that I won't be able to do what I'm not told to do. You know? Yeah, and that's what I was going to ask you. So everybody's born with a certain skillset, gifts, disposition, just how God creates us, and then we develop and grow on top of that, and that's his plan.

So, Some people [00:15:00] have that grit and determination from the womb. Most don't though. So what are the things, your thought process, your mentality, what kept you going when you're in the road and you're like, man, this is, I'm screwed. Like I'm, I got no money, my bike's broken down. Think you said you were in South America, you got gonorrhea, you're like, this could be it.

Or are you thinking, ah, how am I going to get out of this? Like, what's your thought process like on, on opposition and challenges? Well, when you're in somewhere like South America or Sar Africa, you're very much back to basics. You're back in survival mode. You know, you're in the West, we get a hard time whenever, you know, you, you no money in your bank account or your, your wages haven't come in yet.

Or very often the problems we have are really not that bad, you know, rather the, seem bad than the day on the day. But I think it's traveling some of these places, it's resetting your. Your badness calendar, you know [00:16:00] you know, on the likes of Africa, when you're down traveling, you're, you see people are thirsty, you're hungry, or, you know, I don't think anybody in the west, generally, you never actually get proper thirsty that you really, your throat's dry and you can't speak because you can't, you can't get the moisture in your mouth.

You're hungry that you're, you're at the bottom of the bottom of the pile society wise, that you've really got nobody else but yourself to. To get yourself out of the situation. So I think it was, it was good to get a, a reset just of my how bad is life, you know? I mean, came from Northern Ireland, which was a bit of a war zone going on, but really compared to other war situations, wasn't that bad at all, you know?

So it's, I think we, in the West, we did get carried away with whether. Disillusionment with, with, with, with what's, what's our life [00:17:00] is like. We're really much better off. Most people are much better off than we think we are. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. I mean, I think most of us are ungrateful and thankful and that's why we have most of our problems on top of it.

Right? Yeah. So when you start off this episode and you're like, man, you just gotta for, forgive me if I am using the wrong terms, but basically just do it. Just take that risk. How did you phrase it when we started the episode? Don't think about it, just do it. Yeah. So when, when you're making decisions or looking at opportunities, whether it's personal or professional I'm sure there is some form of calculations, but when you get to the point you want to make a decision, what do you recommend for our listeners to you to make a decision and to stick to that decision?

Well, I called the book I wrote going the wrong way because as I say, directionally wise, navigation wise, I ended up in the wrong continent. But I realized when, when I was writing the book, it's [00:18:00] actually followed me through my own life is very often taken the, the wrong, the wrong route. I mean, we're very often the easiest way to, to solve a problem or to make a journey is.

The quickest and easiest way. But you know, if you go the the wrong way, that road has traveled, whichever way you want to put it, you can have a lot more fun, a lot more of a challenge. And life to me is full of challenges rather than challenges and, and memories rather than objects and projects and, and ownership of things.

Life's about learning and, and challenging yourself. I think you can do that more often by going the. The route that isn't taken very often, more difficult route. You can make a normal day into an exciting day by whatever cycling to work instead of taking the bus, you know, whatever it is you want a day, just make it fun, make it a, make it a memorable occasion.

[00:19:00] Now, do you have wife, kids? What's your family like? Yeah, my wife had two kids. So, yeah, I mean, after we did the published a book one of mates said to me, well, you never actually got to Australia. Why not have another go at it? I thought, well, I can't really sell very well when you're 21, you can take off for a year and a half.

But realized, well, I could actually do it because I've a ride for two weeks and then park up somewhere and come home and work for two months, three months, and then go back right again and ride another two weeks and do, but by bed I'll be able to. To cross the half the world like that, get this straight over period of different stages.

So we decided to do that and say very understanding wife was able to let me to do that and work for myself. So the beauty about the internet age is you can be sitting in a a, in a rice potty in, in India, be working away on their [00:20:00] computer and. Nobody knows where you are. Still do your, keep your business running.

But that's beautiful, isn't it? As long as we have electricity and a cell connection, we can do almost anything. It is amazing, you know? So yeah, so year and a half we set off for Australia. Luckily, I, I still had the same Mogo, Lamond, the same motorcycle that I made the first trip on. I kept it as a souvenir.

Nice. So I set off on the same bike, so it's the same person. On the same bike setting, off on the same journey again, only 45 years later. So the bike and myself had a combined age of 109 when we set off. So bike should have been in a, at a museum and I should have been in a old folks home probably, but it was, were setting off across the world.

So I finally made it in March, last March, a couple of months ago. I got to Sydney, Australia. 43 years after set off in 1979. So the [00:21:00] guys got a great reception. Probably the Soest, the Soest sort of journey ever anybody's ever made to Australia. Hey man. Congratulations though. You finished what you started.

How did that make you feel? I mean, that's a accomplishment, whether it's 43 years later or 43 weeks later or forward 43 days later. How did you feel when that was over? Well, it felt great in a way because I finally achieved what it set out to do, but. I've always found it. Traveling on reaching a destination on a journey like that is always a bit disappointing.

Not somewhat disappointing, but disillusioning because the reason you go on a journey, like that's not to get the destination. If you wanna get the destination, you, you can fly there or whatever. You wanna go there. But the reason you make a journey like that is for the journey. It's for the, the day, every day of the journey.

So by the time you get the destination, you're. Yeah, that's the death of a journey. It's finished. It's, it's all over. So it's nearly disappointing when you [00:22:00] get there, because that's the end of the trip, you know, all you can do then is plan your next journey. But you know, it was a great, it was great.

Got a great welcome from the Australians and it was, it was great to be there. Slightly different if I got there when I was 21. Sort of realization hit me that if it got there when 21, it probably would've stayed there, maybe would've ended up speaking with an Australian accent instead of a neural Ireland accent.

But and then you start thinking back, well, what happened? It was actually the Iranian revolution that stopped me. And it's amazing how something completely unconnected to your life and to you ends up making a huge difference over. I come over the last 40 years, you know, Yeah, absolutely. And everything.

That's what we talk about. Everything outside of our control. Everything within our control. It all works together. And you know, the Bible says in Romans, like, all things work together for good to them that love God, to those that called according to his purpose. [00:23:00] So between your birth, Chris and today, is there anything, unless that we didn't cover in your story that you want to touch on before we transition to where is Chris today and where's he headed next?

Where's the next destination? But the journey he'll enjoy. Yeah, no, I think we've covered a lot of it. I've done lots of bits and pieces in between built airplanes. I've run several businesses. I've done various travels around, around the world. But the, I suppose the the other big occasion, which just made a big difference in my life recently was the publishing the book.

I was never very good at school, never academic and intellectual in any way. Scraping away through university, through college, and always trumbling along the bottom of the class. So if, if I can write a book, literally anybody can write a book. And they say everybody's got a book [00:24:00] in them, a story to tell.

But certainly if you know. So the Internet's made things easier these days because you've got Spellcheck for Start, which you could never written a book without dad. But they even stopped publishing and you know, anybody can get a book published now before you used to have a neither get a publisher and the whole traditional route to go down.

Whereas now I can publish a book anywhere in America or. It's available all over the world. So it's quite tremendous how that's affected that industry. Yeah. Congratulations writing and releasing a book's a huge deal and quite the, you know, accomplishment. So where can listeners reach out and grab your book and read more about your adventures?

Chris? Well that's through the company I love to hate in it. That's on Amazon company we can't do without [00:25:00] and and if you're an author, Chris and I we're making that joke, but I know exactly what he's talking about. Amazon, they have their K D P authors, right? And they have their Amazon affiliates. But I have personal suspicions that they screw people on a regular basis very badly, but.

It's also a great way to get your book out to the masses, so that is awesome that we as listeners all over the world can reach out and grab your book. And it's called Going The Wrong Way by Chris Donaldson. So if you wanna search on Amazon, your country, is it worldwide, Chris, or just in particular? It's Worldwide Geographics.

No, it's worldwide. It's the biggest area. Biggest sales are in the States, funny enough. The UK and Australia. So it's worldwide sailing sales. It's As you said, it's quite incredible that you can sell a book anywhere in the world now. Print on demand. They, they print on three or four books at a time and it shipping anywhere in the world.

It's quite [00:26:00] unbelievable. Yeah, it's amazing. The technology. The only problem is that they're putting the we guy outta business. It's such a big company now that they they're taking over the retail sales, I think that sell 40% of the books in the world now or something like that. So that's quite incredible.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes. And I'm not, I think Amazon, they still have a squeaky clean image, but I think they do a lot of corrupt stuff behind closed doors. So I'm I'm a little biased. Yeah. Shh. You're good. Yeah, it's crazy. But anyways, going back to your story. When it comes to people listening now, what's the best way for them to reach out to you?

We know how to grab the book, but if they wanna reach out to you, ask questions, continue the conversation, what's the best way for them to connect? Well, my website is Chris Donaldson World and that's got my email address, my phone number, everything's there. Not quite open about [00:27:00] contacting people or people contacting me.

I've had some tremendous reviews. People who have contacted me with found that the story has touched them in different ways. A lot of the times generally, people my age. I suppose looking back over the last 40 years, it's say you get a little bit sentimental about you when you're age 65. It's, it's a, it's the break of another age coming of ages whenever you're between 20 and sort of childhood and model adulthood, if you like.

Then you've got 40 years of work in earning a living, bring your family up, responsibility, and when you hit 65, you're sort of at the end of that and you're looking forward to having some time, some money, and some enjoyment of life without just responsibilities. So I have a lot of people in that sort of situation coming back to me and contacting me.

And what a, what advice do you have? There's other people, so you got to go on these journeys [00:28:00] and, and enjoy them, not just get to the destination. And so many people have started companies and they've taken journeys, and they've got into relationships, and they were so focused on the destination, they missed the journey.

Now they're 55, 65, 25 doesn't matter. But let's just say people in their sixties right now, they're listening and they're like, Man, I, it's too late for me. I don't believe it's too late. I don't think you believe it's too late. So what message do you have for the people who have missed their journey so far, but they can still go after it, right?

Yeah. I mean, today's the first day of the rest of your life. You know, I mean, the fact I was able to ride halfway around the world, the age of 63, 64, do something that I was trying to do when I was 21 on the same motorcycle. So effectively 40 years, 40 years wearing tear on a motorcycle and 40 years wearing tear myself.

But you can still do what you want to do. In four or five [00:29:00] years ago, I got diagnosed with site Parkinson's disease, which is affected my slightly as I got older. And I suppose one of the reasons I wanted to do the Australia trip was to challenge myself, to push myself to to conquer that as well, if I can.

Whereas you can't conquer everything, you can try and control it and get it to, to be subject to your needs rather than the servant of, of the disease disease or your circumstance. So you know, it, it's never too late to get out and do it. Nice. Now, Parkinson's disease, that is a very, very impactful.

Condition and to ride a motorcycle with that, did you ever have any issues or has it not progressed that far yet? It hasn't progressed that far. It's been so fairly open looking. It's been pretty dormant or slow. [00:30:00] And I think actually the concentration of riding motorbike is actually quite beneficial to, to if you give into any of these diseases or conditions, I think it's, you're, I know you can take control, but if you're using your brain, And your body is your as a tool, you should be able to, you know, you can keep these things in the background as much as possible.

As I say, if you don't use it, you lose it. If you don't use your brain, use your body. You'll soon not be able to. I mean, one of the other things that's supposed to know, got a lot of friends and know a lot of people going into retirement. And you find that people who are running business, running large corporations go from being sort of high, high stressful lives to next day.

They're sitting in the garden pushing a, taking in the garden and playing golf twice a week. [00:31:00] So thought there's gotta be more to life than that. More to retirement than that. There's nothing to say that you can't do what you did when you were 21, the age of 65.

Sweet. Well thank you for your time today, Chris, and for myself. For the listeners, if you were talking to your old, if you could go back and talk to, you know, the 18 year old Chris, is there any passing or final comments you wanna leave with us? No, I would just tell people that I think these days so much health and safety we've been into, some people are risk adverse.

Sometimes I think people need to just take a risk and go for it, but just don't come back at me and give off if you get into trouble. No, it's a, if they do it, it's up to them. Me too. Awesome. Well, thank you for your time today, Chris. It's been great spending this hour together. Ladies and gentlemen, like our slogan says, don't just listen to the great content and story [00:32:00] of our guests, but do it.

Repeat it each day so you can have a great life in this world, but most importantly, for eternity to come and like Chris just talked about, don't just focus on the destination. You know, in the Bible you got Maryanne, Martha with G. Martha, with Jesus. My New England just came out, but Maryanne, Martha, with with Jesus.

And Martha was focused on the end game, the destination, getting the chores done, getting the task done. But Mary was there just enjoying the journey with the Lord. And there's gotta be a balance. But make sure you find that balance and don't just suck your life dry of the joy cuz you're so focused on the final end game.

So that's it. Chris. It was a pleasure having you here today, my friend. You talking David, how you. Awesome. Ladies and gentlemen light, comment, share, subscribe. You know what to do on the podcast, on YouTube. Tell your friends about us. So hopefully this episode not just inspires you, but inspires them too.

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